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Preaching to the choirPreaching to the choirPosted Dec 16, 2006 18:25 UTC (Sat) by mdekkers (guest, #85)In reply to: Preaching to the choir by linuxrocks123 Parent article: "BadVista.org": FSF launches campaign against Microsoft Vista
"Given how familiar you are with free software, I'm surprised you were so
unaware of the mission of the FSF that you would post something like this.
It is not necessarily bad that your goals are not the same as the FSF's,
but you should not expect that it will work towards your goals when they
are in opposition to its."
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Preaching to the choir Posted Dec 16, 2006 19:24 UTC (Sat) by Zack (guest, #37335) [Link] >When the FSF raises it's shrill voice, and proclaims everybody but their own followers as wrong and evil,
They don't. They say proprietary software is divisive and harmful to society. If you want to argue that, fine, but please don't set up a strawman.
>they harm not only their own cause, but also through extension the whole of the open source environment.
No, you think their course harms your personal interests, which may or may not be so.
>As always, when you have a very vocal radicalised minority, they only serve to polarise views and preclude any possibility of compromise. Extremeism, whatever shape it takes, is simply not a good thing.
I'm sorry, but from my experience the "Extremism" is usually not to be found in this "vocal radicalised minority".
In case you have failed to notice it, a lot of the "long haired, bearded hippies" are raising an eyebrow at this action. And frankly, for someone riling against "Extremeism" you are dealing out a fair amount of inflammatory language and insulting rhetoric.
As for the rest of your rant about "profesionalism". I'm not sure whether a "sharp professional consultant" like yourself will ever graps this, but your business-case is simply not the FSF's ethical imperative.
Yes, that was ad hominem and irrelevant. Not very nice now, is it ?
Preaching to the choir Posted Dec 17, 2006 1:30 UTC (Sun) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] As far as I can tell, `professional' in modern manager-speak is code for`don't rock the boat, remove everything that gives you any individuality or personality, obey orders'. Basically `become an interchangeable component so we can fire you more easily'.
(I periodically get told by various uberbosses that I'm `not
Preaching to the choir Posted Dec 16, 2006 23:10 UTC (Sat) by njs (subscriber, #40338) [Link] > we are discussing something as exciting as "Software Licensing" - yawn
I know -- almost as exciting as Constitutional Law or something. I see people get worked up about issues like that, and my idiot-filter kicks in -- it's immediately clear that they can't have anything interesting to say.
>As always, when you have a very vocal radicalised minority, they only serve to polarise views and preclude any possibility of compromise. Extremeism, whatever shape it takes, is simply not a good thing.
Well said -- and the FSF is a particularly egregious example, they've been doing this since the dawn of free software. Just think where we could be by now, if we hadn't had this millstone always hanging around our neck.
Preaching to the choir Posted Dec 18, 2006 0:56 UTC (Mon) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link] ""I know -- almost as exciting as Constitutional Law or something. I see people get worked up about issues like that, and my idiot-filter kicks in -- it's immediately clear that they can't have anything interesting to say""
Ya constitutional law is pointless and boring and distracts from the real issues such as economics.
I mean 'freedom of speech', who needs it? After all most media folk are liberals and should be shut down.
'right to keep and bare arms', bah. It just makes it easier for poor people to kill convience store workers.
Your right. Rights and freedoms and trying to point out they are relevent and important in this is day and age is pointless and counter productive to the bottom line. Those dirty hippies just need to stfu so real mean can get their work done and promote open source software properly.
Preaching to the choir Posted Dec 18, 2006 14:51 UTC (Mon) by wookey (subscriber, #5501) [Link] 'right to keep and bare arms'
Indeed. Every man should stand up for the right to get sunburned if they feel like it.
[A pleasing lack of smileys in this thread - one has to exercise one's comedy detector 'manually'.]
Preaching to the choir Posted Dec 17, 2006 12:10 UTC (Sun) by MathFox (subscriber, #6104) [Link] I deploy and use hardware and software on the basis of architectural decisions, functionality, and technical and business merit, not on the basis of the license it ships with. [emphasis added] Any enterprise architect that does different is simply no good. If my functional and technical requirements can be served with open source software, then so much the better. If they can't, then tough. My job, at the end of the day, is to design and build systems that work, not to push an ideology.A license can severely restrict you in the ways you can legally use a system. Making a bad licensing decision could result in a system that is unfit for your business. As a software engineer and consultant specialised in (Open Source) licensing issues I can tell you a few stories of how projects went wrong when people ignored the licensing aspects in their designs. In an ideal project one is aware of licensing issues and business goals in all stages of the project. At the end of the day, it's your task to provide value to your employer. Designing a system that can not be sold because of licensing issues doesn't help anyone.
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