Posted Dec 7, 2006 12:00 UTC (Thu) by NAR (subscriber, #1313)
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Let me put this way: it makes me rather suspicious of one's intent, if he calls such acts "immoral" that do not hurt anyone.
Bye,NAR
Of hypocrisy and the FSF (Libervis)
Posted Dec 7, 2006 18:22 UTC (Thu) by cyd (guest, #4153)
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Get real. Plenty of immoralities do not really hurt anyone: racial segregation, denying people the right to vote, censorship, etc. etc.
Insinuating, as you do, that any argument based on morals and ethics is morally suspect is, itself, a moral position. Unlike the FSF, you haven't backed YOUR moral position with anything resembling a substantial argument.
Of hypocrisy and the FSF (Libervis)
Posted Dec 7, 2006 23:16 UTC (Thu) by sepreece (subscriber, #19270)
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Could you explain in what sense you believe "racial segregation, denying people the right to vote, censorship, etc. etc." don't hurt anyone?
Of hypocrisy and the FSF (Libervis)
Posted Dec 8, 2006 0:21 UTC (Fri) by zlynx (subscriber, #2285)
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Cyd's argument makes sense to me. Say that I am a government. I deny you the right to vote. You are not physically harmed. I just don't listen to you when I make decisions.
More examples: children are denied the right to vote but are still protected and cared for. Male and female toilet facilities are usually segregated; this does not harm males or females.
What you may be wondering about is the harm that segregation, no right to vote, and censorship make possible. Segregated medical care PLUS low quality medicine and doctors is harm. No right to vote PLUS laws allowing your legal murder is harm. Censorship PLUS hiding corruption and abuses of power is like no right to vote (since we cannot vote meaningfully without accurate information).
Of hypocrisy and the FSF (Libervis)
Posted Dec 8, 2006 0:33 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304)
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Hiding corruption via segregated toilet facilities? It is to boggle.
(i.e., I think your metaphor slipped a gear there somewhere :) )
Of hypocrisy and the FSF (Libervis)
Posted Dec 8, 2006 1:24 UTC (Fri) by zlynx (subscriber, #2285)
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I don't see how you read my comment in order to link toilet facilities and corruption. It must be a joke, but I don't get it.
Of hypocrisy and the FSF (Libervis)
Posted Dec 8, 2006 12:19 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304)
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Sorry, I misread it. Medical care in toilets is equally bogglable, though. ;}