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Sun releases Java under GPLv2Sun releases Java under GPLv2Posted Nov 13, 2006 16:20 UTC (Mon) by sbergman27 (subscriber, #10767)In reply to: Sun releases Java under GPLv2 by coriordan Parent article: Sun releases Java under GPLv2
Haven't read the link... but let me guess. Richard says that unfree software is unethical. Sun needs to open the code to cleanse their souls, etc.
Links to what RMS says are usually pretty uninteresting, since it's always so predictable.
I'm more interested in what less predictable people are saying.
Agreed that this is good news, though.
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Sun releases Java under GPLv2 Posted Nov 13, 2006 16:30 UTC (Mon) by coriordan (guest, #7544) [Link] I'm more interested in what less predictable people are saying. Like who? Can you link to an example interesting, unpredictable statement?
Sun releases Java under GPLv2 Posted Nov 13, 2006 19:08 UTC (Mon) by sbergman27 (subscriber, #10767) [Link] You should find some very interesting and original statements here:
Sun releases Java under GPLv2 Posted Nov 13, 2006 23:34 UTC (Mon) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link] Maybe.
But I've gone through 2-3 pages of comments and most of it revolves around misconceptions about the GPL. Dry stuff to say the least.
Sun releases Java under GPLv2 Posted Nov 14, 2006 1:41 UTC (Tue) by sbergman27 (subscriber, #10767) [Link] Misconceptions, yes.
But dry?
You didn't read far enough. ;-)
Sun releases Java under GPLv2 Posted Nov 13, 2006 16:33 UTC (Mon) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] Actually if you read the link he said that if they open it 'there's nothing wrong anymore'. i.e., pretty much the opposite of what you thought :)
Sun releases Java under GPLv2 Posted Nov 13, 2006 19:01 UTC (Mon) by sbergman27 (subscriber, #10767) [Link] Well, I've read the link now. (My original point was that I felt I pretty much knew what it would say beforehand.)
I'd say (now that I have read it) that I was right. Sun has now cleansed there souls and there is nothing wrong now. (Better late than never.) It's hard to see RMS disapproving once Java is put under his license, after all.
Sun releases Java under GPLv2 Posted Nov 14, 2006 12:27 UTC (Tue) by liljencrantz (subscriber, #28458) [Link] Your original post states that without RTFA, you know beforehand that RMS will go on about how Sun still needs to cleanse their souls for ever developing non-free software, and then it turns out that RMS said that he is happy with Sun and that they are doing nothing wrong anymore.
Your conclusion: You where right about what RMS would say all along.
With such a liberal reading of 'right', I fail to see how anyone could ever be wrong.
Sun releases Java under GPLv2 Posted Nov 14, 2006 18:52 UTC (Tue) by sbergman27 (subscriber, #10767) [Link] Does it really matter? ;-)
This topic was worth a post or two. But I can't see dragging this out.
I'd say "draw your own conclusions" and I'm fine with that.
-Steve Bergman
Sun releases Java under GPLv2 Posted Nov 13, 2006 17:03 UTC (Mon) by jstAusr (guest, #27224) [Link] I've apparently missed the "cleanse their souls" comment do you have a link?Somehow I doubt that unless he was joking.
Your comment is predictable and uninteresting and yet, there it is. Or is it that you don't mind being uninteresting and predictable?
Sun releases Java under GPLv2 Posted Nov 13, 2006 19:08 UTC (Mon) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185) [Link] It's probably an allusion to the "KDE developers need to ask forgivenessfor all the GPL software they used when they weren't allowed to" of years ago.
Sun releases Java under GPLv2 Posted Nov 13, 2006 19:21 UTC (Mon) by sbergman27 (subscriber, #10767) [Link] No.
+1 for making that connection, though. I considered the possibility that "cleanse their souls" might be interpretted that way, but decided that it was likely a safe enough wording.
"Forgiveness" was widely misinterpretted by the community back then. I misinterpretted it, myself, at first.
But it turned out to be a legal term that did not mean what some of us thought at first.
Consider my phrase "cleanse their souls" to be a bit hyperbolic. ;-)
Sun releases Java under GPLv2 Posted Nov 14, 2006 2:03 UTC (Tue) by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330) [Link] RMS's statement on "forgiveness" was entirely correct. Read the GPL (v2): by violating it, the violator forfeits his/her license to copy, modify, or distribute the violated code. As copyright holder, RMS was saying that he forgave any such violations, but that the offenders might have to seek forgiveness of others. This language was widely resented by those who didn't understand that there were legal consequences; RMS was asking that these legal consequences be waived, which was hardly a hostile act.
Sun releases Java under GPLv2 Posted Nov 14, 2006 9:48 UTC (Tue) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185) [Link] Of course, for that there would have to be any code from the FSF used inviolation. At that time, there was none.
Sun releases Java under GPLv2 Posted Nov 13, 2006 19:23 UTC (Mon) by jeremiah (guest, #1221) [Link] Yeah, we know what RMS is going to say, in general, but I still like hearing the words directly from his mouth. Gives me a nice warm fuzzy feeling inside. I'd also like to hear Linus's comments on it as well, not that they would be particually relevent to the subject.
Richard Stallman unusually consistent Posted Nov 14, 2006 10:48 UTC (Tue) by nicku (subscriber, #777) [Link]
I find surprisingly few people who are consistent; those who talk differently, depending on whom they are talking with, seem to me to be boringly common.
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