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Novell and Microsoft partnering on Linux? (Linux-Watch)Novell and Microsoft partnering on Linux? (Linux-Watch)Posted Nov 2, 2006 23:28 UTC (Thu) by dale77 (subscriber, #1490)Parent article: Novell and Microsoft partnering on Linux? (Linux-Watch)
A couple of links from novell. In my opinion the last couple of nails in the coffin of a once great desktop linux distro.
http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq.html
http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/openletter.html
Dale
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Novell and Microsoft partnering on Linux? (Linux-Watch) Posted Nov 2, 2006 23:46 UTC (Thu) by dale77 (subscriber, #1490) [Link] A couple of comments from the "to the open source community" letter:
1. Novell will develop tools to manage virtualized Windows machines, and Microsoft will develop tools to manage virtualized Linux systems.
A prediction: Microsoft will develop first class support for virtualized server linux systems. Novell will stumble and stutter and fail to deliver.
2. Novell will develop the code necessary to bring support for Office Open XML into OpenOffice, and we will contribute that support back to the OpenOffice.org organization.
A prediction: Novell (with microsoft's help) will develop second class support for MSOffice's file format on linux. Whither OpenDoc?
Novell certainly have done a great job of ripping the mainstream desktop out of Suse Linux. With this news I fear that the transition of Suse from a great desktop linux to a second class Microsoft clone is complete.
Dale
Novell and Microsoft partnering on Linux? (Linux-Watch) Posted Nov 3, 2006 1:22 UTC (Fri) by thebluesgnr (guest, #37963) [Link] If support for MSOffice's new file formats is bad then:
1) Sun will not add them to OpenOffice.org;
2) the community can improve it so it's good enough for inclusion in OO.org.
Unless you're suggesting it's bad to provide interoperability for Office's new file format, I don't see a reason to complain (on this particular side of the announcement).
Novell and Microsoft partnering on Linux? (Linux-Watch) Posted Nov 7, 2006 2:49 UTC (Tue) by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458) [Link] 2) the community can improve it so it's good enough for inclusion in OO.org.Can't do. All "covered by MSFT patents" and stuff.
Novell and Microsoft partnering on Linux? (Linux-Watch) Posted Nov 3, 2006 1:58 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link] "Novell certainly have done a great job of ripping the mainstream desktop out of Suse Linux. With this news I fear that the transition of Suse from a great desktop linux to a second class Microsoft clone is complete."
I have to completely dissagree with this one.
Novell has done a great job in improving the Linux desktop. Much better then any other company. Usability testing, desktop search, improvements in Gnome apps, etc etc
The only sucky part on Novell's part is it manifested itself in Ubuntu desktop and not so much in Suse's.
Novell and Microsoft partnering on Linux? (Linux-Watch) Posted Nov 3, 2006 2:05 UTC (Fri) by thebluesgnr (guest, #37963) [Link] The only sucky part on Novell's part is it manifested itself in Ubuntu desktop and not so much in Suse's.Huh?
Novell and Microsoft partnering on Linux? (Linux-Watch) Posted Nov 3, 2006 2:27 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link] Well you know how Gnome has improve considurably in the past few years and people praise Ubuntu for providing a nice desktop?
Things like Desktop search. Improvements in evolution and such. Integration of Mono. Especially things like Wireless support. A lot of that is directly due to Novell. Who hasn't used Ubuntu on a laptop and not use Network-manager? You have Novell to thank for that peice of software.
Novell has done a number of usability studies for Gnome and that sort of thing and have solved a lot of problems baring 'mainstream' acceptance of Gnome-based desktop systems.
These sort of improvements, of course, have made their way back to Ubuntu. Then people use Ubuntu and they talk about how nice it is and how wireless is good and such, while Suse hasn't gotten so much attention even though this is were this stuff is coming from.
So Ubuntu benifits more then Suse from work Novell has done _specificly_ to improve Desktop usability in Linux.
To say that Novell has stripped out the 'mainstream desktop' from Suse is a HUGE disservice to them. They have put a lot of work into it and have done a lot.
Novell and Microsoft partnering on Linux? (Linux-Watch) Posted Nov 3, 2006 8:59 UTC (Fri) by alexl (subscriber, #19068) [Link] Network manager was written by Dan Williams at RedHat.
Novell and Microsoft partnering on Linux? (Linux-Watch) Posted Nov 3, 2006 9:31 UTC (Fri) by ofeeley (subscriber, #36105) [Link] And its functionality depends heavily on HAL (primarily authored by David Zeuthen another Red Hat employee) and D-BUS (primarily authored by Havoc Pennington and Alex Larsson). Yes I know a lot of people got left out of those attributions, I just get sick of Red Hat not getting credit for all the basic work and development they contribute while everyone oohs and aahs over Ubuntu.
Novell and Microsoft partnering on Linux? (Linux-Watch) Posted Nov 3, 2006 3:06 UTC (Fri) by dale77 (subscriber, #1490) [Link] Hey, its only my opinion. Novell have made some strange decisions with Suse since they bought it, the biggest being the switch from desktop KDE to corporate gnome. Their emphasis has shifted from SLES + Suse PRO, to SLES, SLED. They have abandoned the desktop to OpenSuse.
Dale
Novell and Microsoft partnering on Linux? (Linux-Watch) Posted Nov 3, 2006 8:25 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link] Well they were doing Gnome before they bought Suse. Makes sense that they just kept on using what they started off with.
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