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Pragmatic/ReligiousPragmatic/ReligiousPosted Oct 23, 2006 18:46 UTC (Mon) by GreyWizard (guest, #1026)In reply to: sparse by viro Parent article: FSF should separate GPLv3 changes (Linux.com)
I don't doubt the technical merits of sparse and you make a good case for separating licensing goals from technical decisions, but this seems to miss the point. GPL restrictions on derivative works are imposed for pragmatic reasons and have had positive consequences. Refusing to make it easy to separate the front and back ends of GCC may be a mistake but "religion" has nothing to do with it. Brandishing pejorative terms as Torvalds does is not productive.
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Pragmatic/Religious Posted Oct 24, 2006 0:03 UTC (Tue) by viro (subscriber, #7872) [Link] Both license choice and technical decisions were driven by the samepre-set political decision. And I wouldn't call it pragmatic - even if you agree that blocking creation of (independent) proprietary backends had been worth the trouble, you still have 100% genuine proprietary derivatives of gcc that might very well not be such if they would not be artificially made work-intensive. Well done, RMS... The same thing had served as additional barrier to alternative free compilers and _that_ contributed to gcc stagnation in late 90s (basically, until egcs fork). That same thing had actually _reduced_ the number of viable frontends; granted, m3 folks had their own kind of fucked-in-headness that added problems, but... Basically, we have all usual results of PHB with a vision forcing political, er, considerations on a project and not bothering to think of consequences. BTW, "religion" is not the word I would use, but then I'm not as polite as Linus. My preference for description would be "SNAFU by a high-level suit with agenda".
Pragmatic/Religious Posted Oct 25, 2006 23:01 UTC (Wed) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] Again, the decision had positive consequences: but maybe you don't careabout the existence of the Objective C and (IIRC) C++ frontends. Some of us do.
Pragmatic/Religious Posted Oct 25, 2006 23:36 UTC (Wed) by viro (subscriber, #7872) [Link] ObjC is definitely in the same realm as m3 (if even that - cvsup isseriously used and non-trivial, whatever.app tends to be... Applish, for the lack of printable description). As for the C++... I would be very surprised if that one hadn't used enough code from C frontend at any point in its evolution to be a clear derivative, but ICBW.
Note that "your library is a derivative of my library, you get to
If anything, I would expect any losses to be in weird backends for
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