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Oracle Isn't a Linux Company (Motley Fool)Oracle Isn't a Linux Company (Motley Fool)Posted Oct 19, 2006 2:42 UTC (Thu) by peace (guest, #10016)In reply to: Oracle Isn't a Linux Company (Motley Fool) by drag Parent article: Oracle Isn't a Linux Company (Motley Fool)
MySQL might be OK for certain types of websites or other single application stacks that need a data layer. I doubt anyone would trust it as a central DB for PeopleSoft, SAP, some lesser flavor of ERP, or ad-hock in-house projects that require some table space. I certainly would not trust it in this role. I would trust PostgreSQL only to a point, and I am a huge fan of Postgres.
"1. Currently, except for the high end stuff, Mysql can be made to functionally do everything that Oracle can do. Or at least most of it."
I do not agree. The similarities between Oracle and MySQL cease somewhere around "able to store and retrieve data".
"2. That although Oracle is going to have features and capabilities that extend beyond MySQL's, the majority of low to mid range users that buy Oracle licensing don't need those."
If these companies want to use MySQL for their website because that's what their developers know, then they will. If they are using any real software to manage their business, they would be looking at Oracle (or SQL Server) because that is what the application vendors will be requiring. MySQL would not even be an option and they would make anyone suggesting such a thing look very silly.
I doubt Oracle really cares how they might offend Red Hat by taking the kernel layer in-house. If a company wants Oracle they are going to talk to Oracle, not Red Hat. Red Hat comes into the equation when deciding how Oracle is going to deploy it's software. Relying on Red Hat to provide a well configured, tuned, secure and up to date Linux is a bit of a risk for Oracle. Creating an appliance that runs a highly tuned Linux kernel developed by in-house kernel devs. seems to make perfect sense and I would not be surprised to see Oracle do just that.
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Oracle Isn't a Linux Company (Motley Fool) Posted Oct 19, 2006 4:17 UTC (Thu) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link] I donno.
I don't know a whole lot about database stuff, but I think I sometimes see the trends going on in software on a larger scale.
People said very similar things about Solaris vs Linux just a few years ago. I remember reading people saying that no real DB admin would ever consider using Linux for anything important and that commodity servers would never come close to being able to handle the same workloads that large Sparc servers can handle.
Nowadays more databases run on Linux then anything else in Unix-land. At least this seems true when you look at Oracle DB sales and such.
Also what about Oracle buying both InnoBase and Sleepycat?
While it is true that Oracle may be wanting to get into 'OSS'-land a bit more, what is definately true is that those companies produced the only database engines that enable MySQL to support transactions. It looks like Oracle was worried about MySQL going after it's low-hanging fruit.
But now Mysql openned up it's database engine plugin support for a whole host of other database stuff, including original bdb and innodb but also adding soliddb support and their own new Falcon stuff. This gives MySQL very flexible setup, it looks like.
I donno. It just seems that it's not worth just dismissing Mysql.
Oracle Isn't a Linux Company (Motley Fool) Posted Oct 20, 2006 17:49 UTC (Fri) by RareCactus (guest, #41198) [Link] Traditionally, MySQL's philosophy has been to play fast and loose with database guarantees. Atomicity? Concurrency? Rollbacks? Who needs those? They also don't enforce the types of fields, so that (for example) you can insert the word "BEEF" into a numerical field.
More than any other reason, this kind of sloppiness is why most database admins have contempt for MySQL. Postgresql, on the other hand, implemented things correctly, and (so I hear) most of the work is now on optimization.
Oracle Isn't a Linux Company (Motley Fool) Posted Oct 19, 2006 11:28 UTC (Thu) by job (guest, #670) [Link] This is just silly. Of course MySQL can be trusted in an ERP system or whatever TLA rings your buzz word bell. The company is solid and the product is good.
As a matter of fact, I recall that SAP had their own official database (SAPDB) before, but it was acquired by MySQL and is now part of their product line. It doesn't get much more trustworthy than that.
Oracle Isn't a Linux Company (Motley Fool) Posted Oct 19, 2006 12:01 UTC (Thu) by peace (guest, #10016) [Link] You mean this ( http://www.sapdb.org/ ) SAPDB? It's been open source for a very long time and has nothing to do with MySQL's viability as a replacement for Oracle. SAPDB was used by SAP for demos and training and such. Anyone who actually deployed SAP did it on Oracle.
Where have you actually seen an ERP deployment that uses MySQL? I'd be curious. And I mean the likes of PeopleSoft and SAP, not SugarCRM.
I doubt you really think that you "can't get more trustworthy" than MySQL.
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Oracle Isn't a Linux Company (Motley Fool) Posted Oct 19, 2006 22:42 UTC (Thu) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link] With MySQL it's called MaxDB and it's SAP-certified with the SAP application suite, whatever that means.
So if you want to look for references for people using MySQL with the SapDB stuff look for 'MaxDB'.
I don't think that MySQL is realy pushing it though. I've heard that SapDB's code was more then a bit of a mess. Brings to mind the status of Netscape's code base when Mozilla aquired it.
They have that pluggable data storage engine thing that they seem to be focusing on. The idea is that you can more easily select what sort of features you want with MySQL.. Weither you want it to be done with SolidDB (Solid does commercial versions for carrier-grade RDBMS for communications industry and GPL'd their engine with the partnership of MySQL) vs InnoDB vs BDB vs the default MyISAM vs the up and coming 'FALCON' they've developed from their purchase of Jim Starkey's Netfrastructure company. Maybe they will port MaxDB to this. I don't know.
It'll be interesting to see what is going to happen to MySQL in next 3 years or so.
Oracle Isn't a Linux Company (Motley Fool) Posted Oct 20, 2006 15:37 UTC (Fri) by peace (guest, #10016) [Link] MaxDB /is/ SAPDB, so of course it's "SAP certified". It's a shell game that MySQL is playing, "pick the enterprise ready DB", but it is not MySQL.
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