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Self-described Kubuntu user?
Self-described Kubuntu user?
Posted Oct 12, 2006 15:01 UTC (Thu) by skvidal (subscriber, #3094)In reply to: Self-described Kubuntu user? by ajross
Parent article: How many Fedora users are there?
One - no one is asking you to rebuild your own srpms. You can let the centos project do that for you. Which is what I do.
Oh and just for the record: The work we did on fedora in terms of changing the packaging tools, etc has changed how rhel gets updated for the future.
That echoes down the line, making centos rebuilds easier and making my job simpler all around.
I'm all for freedom. This means the freedom of rh to take code that I wrote and use it in their best interest. The only trick is that they have to release their code back. And they do. How much more could I ask of them?
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Self-described Kubuntu user?
Posted Oct 12, 2006 15:20 UTC (Thu) by ajross (subscriber, #4563) [Link]
How much more could I ask of them?I, for one, would ask them to release back the product (the whole, not the bits & pieces) that they created with it, so that I might use it, know it, and recommend it to my friends. This is not required by typical licenses, but it is fair. This is the policy of community-based distributions like Debian and Gentoo. It is the policy of Ubuntu also, who don't play such games with release management.
And, most frustratingly, it used to be the policy of Red Hat, and one of the reasons I used and recommended their distribution exclusively for something like eight years. Even when Fedora was split off and RHEL was firewalled as "open, but not freely available from Red Hat" I continued to use it, because I believed in their commitment to the community.
But today, I read in the above article that even the "community" distribution, which so far continues to be freely available, needs to justify (justify!) its existence to upper management. Sorry, but that's the end for me. If you were the only distribution around (or even clearly the best), I would be more tolerant. But you just aren't, sorry. There are better options.
Self-described Kubuntu user?
Posted Oct 12, 2006 15:29 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
This isnt about the existence of Fedora or not. This is about understanding more metrics to increase the Red Hat funds on Fedora.
Self-described Kubuntu user?
Posted Oct 12, 2006 15:36 UTC (Thu) by ajross (subscriber, #4563) [Link]
Please read the rest of the thread, and my posts specifically. I believe I have been very clear about what I mean throughout. Adding one-liner posts to long flame wars like this only cheapens the discussion and gets us side tracked on correction posts like this one. And yes, I realize I am breaking my own rule with this post. :)
Self-described Kubuntu user?
Posted Oct 12, 2006 16:23 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
Clarifying a claim that discussion isnt about the justification of the need of Fedora doesnt cheapen the discussion in anyway. Red Hat has already said that it will continue to support a free distribution as recently as https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2006...
Self-described Kubuntu user?
Posted Oct 12, 2006 16:44 UTC (Thu) by ajross (subscriber, #4563) [Link]
Red Hat has already said that it will continue to support a free distribution [...]This claim is clearly contradicted, in spirit at least, by the quote I referenced all the way up at the top of this thread. Maintaining a token "community distribution" is largely meaningless if your development resources are being spent on the "non-community" version instead. Thus, my rant.
Sure, many people don't care about this distinction and will continue to use Fedora anyway. But I care. And, as a long-term and formerly loyal user, I thought folks might be interested in why I have abandoned Red Hat. To my eyes, they have simply lost their way. It strikes me that Red Hat's management doesn't understand that Shuttleworth and the folks at Canonical are eating their lunch in the mindshare wars. This kind of thinking is why.
Self-described Kubuntu user?
Posted Oct 12, 2006 16:52 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
The contradiction seems to be from your misunderstanding. This is what I have been trying to get across to you. The quote you referenced above was in a discussion related to getting MORE funds alloted to Fedora than what is being currently spend on it.
Red Hat does spend a lot of money in Fedora already. The announcement regarding the foundation explained some of this. More information is available at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Accounting