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Hans Reiser arrested
Posted Oct 11, 2006 15:04 UTC (Wed) by ernstp (subscriber, #13694)
Posted Oct 11, 2006 15:27 UTC (Wed) by Alan_Hicks (subscriber, #20469)
I'd like to remind people that suspects are presumed innocent until proven guilty, and that as tempting as it may be to speculate, speculation at this time will do nothing but harm all the parties involved, the innocent even more than the guilty. So let's just try to let the sheriff do his job, and keep the rumor mill closed.
Hans Reiser arrested: more coverage
Posted Oct 11, 2006 16:01 UTC (Wed) by frazier (guest, #3060)
Posted Oct 11, 2006 16:28 UTC (Wed) by frazier (guest, #3060)
Posted Oct 12, 2006 0:37 UTC (Thu) by drag (subscriber, #31333)
Always when a person dissappears their spouse or other close family member is a prime suspect and given the legal stuff going on it's pretty much a given that they would arrest him (if there is the slightest bit of evidence) and get warrents and such to search his home and other such things.
Not that it makes hime guilty automaticly or anything like that. It's just the sort of thing police have to do in cases like this.
What a shitty situation.
Posted Oct 12, 2006 19:31 UTC (Thu) by tmk (guest, #40799)
Found this via Google
Posted Oct 11, 2006 16:06 UTC (Wed) by DYN_DaTa (guest, #34072)
Posted Oct 11, 2006 16:39 UTC (Wed) by sdenlinger (guest, #24239)
Posted Oct 11, 2006 16:41 UTC (Wed) by allesfresser (subscriber, #216)
Posted Oct 11, 2006 16:49 UTC (Wed) by evgeny (guest, #774)
Posted Oct 11, 2006 19:02 UTC (Wed) by sdenlinger (guest, #24239)
Posted Oct 11, 2006 20:32 UTC (Wed) by cventers (subscriber, #31465)
> I merely suggested this as a way to honor Nina, rather than her
In the United States, we have a very important legal characteristic
called "innocent until proven guilty". Mr. Reiser has been arrested; he
has not been convicted. Referring to him matter-of-factly as a murderer
when virtually no facts of the case are known to the public is a little
bit offensive, and certainly indecent.
Posted Oct 11, 2006 20:59 UTC (Wed) by Los__D (guest, #15263)
Posted Oct 12, 2006 18:58 UTC (Thu) by tmk (guest, #40799)
Uh... Could you stop with this dull attempt at trolling?
Not the whole world is the United States, OK? I cannot think of a single legal system where someone is presumed guilty until proven innocent.
Posted Oct 12, 2006 19:05 UTC (Thu) by cventers (subscriber, #31465)
I didn't say any other part of the world doesn't work this way. Accusing
me of trolling on these grounds smells like a trolling attempt in and of
Presumption of Guilt
Posted Oct 14, 2006 2:38 UTC (Sat) by zenaan (subscriber, #3778)
Whether you sign or not, you are required to accept some form of punishment before conviction. You are presumed to be guilty and must stop living a normal life (normal including driving), until your court case ends.
See http://www.UPMART.org for details
Things are not as free as they might otherwise seem,
Posted Oct 14, 2006 17:26 UTC (Sat) by kevinbsmith (guest, #4778)
The story is from Australia. The woman was accused of driving a car that was not registered (as opposed to driving without a driver's license). She claims the car was registered at the time. Normally this minor offence would result in a small fine if proven. Because she was unwilling to give up driving until the trial, she was held in jail for almost a year while awaiting trial.
Posted Oct 15, 2006 9:34 UTC (Sun) by zenaan (subscriber, #3778)
I agree with the principle that, at least in the case of a small matter ('summary offence'), there should be a presumption of innocence, before trial and before conviction has occurred.
Posted Oct 12, 2006 21:25 UTC (Thu) by stijn (subscriber, #570)
Posted Oct 11, 2006 22:31 UTC (Wed) by proski (subscriber, #104)
Posted Oct 12, 2006 4:15 UTC (Thu) by branden (subscriber, #7029)
Maybe it's time to stop this tradition of keeping irrelevant
patterns while naming software? Windows -> Lindows, Linspire -> Freespire,
Firebird -> Firefox, and now ReiserFS -> NinaFS. In my opinion, it's
I support such renaming for a firmly principled reason:
It's easier to type.
Posted Oct 12, 2006 21:18 UTC (Thu) by edmundo (guest, #616)
Or perhaps we should name an award after it: the "NinaFS award" for outstanding crassness.
Seriously, I've seen some stomach-churning mawkishness in my life, but in terms of sheer gut-wrenching, toe-curling embarrassingness this dwarfs everything. In comparison with this, a bus-load of working-class Roman Catholic women being interviewed on live television about their reactions to a recent multiple child murder case would seem like a case of level-headed stoicism.
I suppose that next time that something like that happens I need only google for "NinaFS" to remind myself that it could be worse.
Posted Oct 11, 2006 22:14 UTC (Wed) by pfred1 (guest, #35195)
Posted Oct 11, 2006 23:37 UTC (Wed) by proski (subscriber, #104)
It would be better to restore the comment and append a "moderatorial" asking to ignore said comment. Unless the comment abuses the commenting system technically (think page wideners etc) or is outright obscene to the point of making LWN readers hesitate to even look at the comments (think pageloads of profanities, ASCII porn), it's better to keep the original, with a moderatorial if required.
As for "the first time", LWN had whole stories yanked, unless my memory is faulting. The previous story about Nina Reiser's disappearance is nowhere to be found, but I remember it was there.
Posted Oct 12, 2006 13:21 UTC (Thu) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091)
As for "the first time", LWN had whole stories yanked, unless my memory is faulting.
The previous story about Nina Reiser's disappearance is nowhere to be found, but I remember it was there.
Posted Oct 12, 2006 4:12 UTC (Thu) by branden (subscriber, #7029)
[This absolutely tasteless post has been redacted by your editor -
the first time we have ever done that.]
Posted Oct 12, 2006 7:42 UTC (Thu) by opennw (guest, #29001)
I guess this is "redacting for real", as distinct from the pseudo-redaction strikeout of the LWN comment about Theo de Raadt:
Theo is unhappy that the OLPC will be, as he sees it, a closed system for OpenBSD. [Mr. de Raadt has taken exception to the previous sentence, consider it removed].
("Device drivers and non-disclosure agreements", LWN Weekly, Oct 12, 2006.
Cool, degrees of redaction!
Posted Oct 12, 2006 9:09 UTC (Thu) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167)
Removing a comment is different, and must be done very sensitively. We of course can't know what it said unless the writer chooses to publish elsewhere, but it is certainly reasonable to remove their text in full if the editors couldn't allow some or all of it to be published on their site, either because it was actionable or for any other reason at their discretion. Much more dangerous to edit, or censor parts of the comment.
I can see why they've been reluctant to do this before, Slashdot enjoys some partial immunity to lawsuits by not having (at least officially) any mechanism for editorial control of user contributed comments. Once you choose to exercise editorial control over some of the user contributed content a court is likely to conclude that you have the same control as the editor of a newspaper and can be sued for anything that appears on your site regardless of whether you actually saw it before it was published.
Posted Oct 13, 2006 3:26 UTC (Fri) by opennw (guest, #29001)
> Once you choose to exercise editorial control
That's a difficult one - let a comment stand and be sued, or remove it and be sued?
Posted Oct 12, 2006 15:40 UTC (Thu) by Max.Hyre (subscriber, #1054)
Remember, LWN's staff makes this the best news site (on any subject) on the Net. Their taste and abilities are so manifest that I accept unhesitatingly that the removal is well justified.
Posted Oct 12, 2006 16:18 UTC (Thu) by nix (subscriber, #2304)
Posted Oct 12, 2006 16:30 UTC (Thu) by mlfowler (guest, #29063)
Posted Oct 11, 2006 22:55 UTC (Wed) by dreadnought (subscriber, #27222)
Posted Oct 12, 2006 10:09 UTC (Thu) by NRArnot (subscriber, #3033)
As for human nature, we are all subject to intense emotions, including anger. Statistics show that a person is more likely to be murdered by their spouse or lover than by anyone else. Enough said - innocent until proved guilty is a good rule.
Posted Oct 13, 2006 8:06 UTC (Fri) by ekj (guest, #1524)
Someone is *either* good *or* bad. Someone is *either* with us *or* with the terrorists.
It makes the world simple, and is therefore prefered by the simpleminded. but it doesn't match reality.
In reality, everyone has done both good and bad. In reality, most people are neither with you or against you. In real life it's ridicolous to claim that everyone (for example) sceptical about the Iraq war is a terrorist-supporter.
We don't know anything yet, other than that Hans has been arrested. But even if he should eventually become convicted, I don't see any reason to discount any of the good stuff he has done.
ReiserFS came into the world largely as the result of the efforts of Hans Reiser (and his company). That is a fact. This fact is not changed in any way by the outcome of this case.
Nina Reiser fund
Posted Oct 11, 2006 22:56 UTC (Wed) by clintonroy (subscriber, #6660)
Posted Oct 12, 2006 6:51 UTC (Thu) by walken (subscriber, #7089)
Quite incriminating if this is confirmed... :/
Posted Oct 13, 2006 4:52 UTC (Fri) by csawtell (subscriber, #986)
Posted Oct 13, 2006 16:35 UTC (Fri) by proski (subscriber, #104)
I would suggest something that encompasses the main distinctive feature of ReiserFS. Is that "dancing trees"? Or maybe nsfs - NameSys filesystem.
Posted Oct 14, 2006 18:27 UTC (Sat) by dirtyepic (subscriber, #30178)
Posted Oct 14, 2006 23:55 UTC (Sat) by proski (subscriber, #104)
Posted Oct 15, 2006 0:38 UTC (Sun) by dirtyepic (subscriber, #30178)
Posted Oct 16, 2006 16:33 UTC (Mon) by rwmj (subscriber, #5474)
At this point we all have to shout something:
Geeks Gone Wild
Posted Oct 16, 2006 1:12 UTC (Mon) by khess (guest, #21687)
Geeks Gone Wild - exactly!
Posted Oct 17, 2006 18:41 UTC (Tue) by tmk (guest, #40799)
Also in one of the stories I read that his mother was at Burning Man while the alledged murder alledgedly happened. Well... I'm not American nor ever been there, but I think Burning Man is not something an anti-Semite or his mother would visit. Quite the contrary.....
Posted Oct 17, 2006 18:44 UTC (Tue) by corbet (editor, #1)
Posted Oct 18, 2006 15:10 UTC (Wed) by tmk (guest, #40799)
Posted Oct 19, 2006 16:27 UTC (Thu) by quintesse (subscriber, #14569)
I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in thinking I'd rather have a page filled with "ASCII porn" (see above somewhere) than what I'm reading here now.
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