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Licence text and fabs

Posted Oct 5, 2006 7:31 UTC (Thu) by mingo (subscriber, #31122)
In reply to: Licence text and fabs by nim-nim
Parent article: Busy busy busybox

And no-one has explained it to me yet how it would reduce the amount of DRM in hardware if the GPL adopted anti-DRM language. All the indicators are that such a step /increases/ the amount of DRM done, because a fair portion of current embedded Linux would switch to other OSs. (partly because they are forced by other content makers to use DRM, partly because they'd sense a fundamental uncertainty in the licensing foundations of Linux.)

Also, the FSF should be well aware of the fact that it's always the first layer of software that matters for DRM, most of the time. So it's the kernel that has to deal with hardware and DRM issues. It's the kernel's contribution rules that you are playing with here. In fact without the kernel moving to GPLv3 the whole DRM section is almost totally pointless. (unless you count Hurd, which would have to remove tons of Linux code to begin with, if it wants to switch to the GPLv3) The remaining free software projects are mostly just curious bystanders. Yeah, i oppose DRM just as much as you do, but do /you/ have to deal with the fallout of this happy activism?

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Posted Oct 5, 2006 8:50 UTC (Thu) by nim-nim (subscriber, #34454) [Link]

> And no-one has explained it to me yet how it would reduce the amount of DRM
> in hardware if the GPL adopted anti-DRM language

Read the transcripts of MP discussions when local EUCD/DMCA law are passed. One question they ask is "it will help Hollywood, but will blanket legal DRM protection/mandate hurt any other economic actor ?". Of course the major representatives try to convince them the answer is no.

The GPLv3 is a very clear way to show MPs blanket legal DRM protection/mandate hurts someone.

Licence text and fabs

Posted Oct 5, 2006 9:37 UTC (Thu) by mingo (subscriber, #31122) [Link]

The GPLv3 is a very clear way to show MPs blanket legal DRM protection/mandate hurts someone.

How would that happen in practice? Lets take Tivo, an FSF-selected example (presumably because it's the best example of harmful DRM they could find), ok? How does the GPLv3 show that blanket legal DRM protection hurts someone, in the Tivo example? Lets assume the kernel goes GPLv3. Please outline the scenario of likely action that would/could happen in your opinion.

The only way i could theoretically imagine would be for a large non-DRM hardware base with GPLv3 kernel+userspace to be built up right now, which industry would complain loudly if a change in laws would made their product illegal to distribute under the GPLv3. Given that essentially every medial player and every mobile phone on the market includes some form of DRM currently, as per the wishes of the content industry (whose content consumers actually want to enjoy), how do you see the likelyhood of that happening in practice, /without/ a huge body of free content that consumers would be equally crazy about?

Please outline the scenario that you think would/could happen.

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Posted Oct 5, 2006 10:51 UTC (Thu) by nim-nim (subscriber, #34454) [Link]

> How would that happen in practice?

Very easily.

Mr V. goes to his local MP to make DRM mandatory and protected by law on all media processing boxes. The MP asks if it will hurt someone. Mr V says "of course not, it will only catch evil pirates".

Mr F can then come saying "But this will ban use of FLOSSTV, which is licensed under the GPLvx which is uncompatible with the proposal" competition and free market is good, you can't do that. This is a strong argument.

Right now M F can only say "But this will harm FLOSSTV, which is licensed under the GPLvx which intent/spirit is uncompatible with the proposal" competition and free market is good, you can't do that. This is a weak argument, spirit and intent count for zip.

In case you think I'm making all this up, I'm only repeating from memory some of the arguments used in the French Parliament when the EUCD directive was translated in local law this year.

Some of the articles proposed by the majors were clearly uncompatible with existing Free Software license terms and could be amended. For others the uncompatibility was not so clear cut and unfortunately opposing them proved impossible.

The harm BTW was not only FLOSS-side. The law hurt numerous actors, but they all found out nothing but the most blatant problems (such as law/license uncompatibilities) had any weight against the majors' money.