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Ubuntu 6.10 alpha - Knot 2 released
Welcome to Edgy Eft Knot-2, which will in time become Ubuntu 6.10.
Pre-releases of Edgy are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a stable
system or who is not comfortable running into occasional, even
frequent breakage. They are however recommended for Ubuntu developers
and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing bugs.
Knot-2 is the second in a series of milestone CD images that will be
released throughout the Edgy development cycle, as images that are
known to be reasonably free of showstopper CD-build or installer bugs,
while representing very current snapshots of Edgy. You can download
it here, for Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu and Xubuntu respectively:
Europe:
Ubuntu:
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/...
http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/edgy/kno...
Kubuntu:
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/r...
http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/releases/...
Edubuntu:
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/...
http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/edubuntu/releases...
Xubuntu:
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/r...
http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/releases/...
United Kingdom, and the rest of the world:
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/edgy/knot-2/ (Ubuntu)
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/edgy/knot-2/ (Kubuntu)
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/edgy/knot-2/ (Edubuntu)
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/edgy/knot-2/ (Xubuntu)
See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive for access instructions.
The primary changes from Knot 1 have been implementations of feature
goals as listed on
https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+specs . Common to
all variants, we have upgraded Xorg to the 7.1 release. In Ubuntu,
GNOME has been updated to 2.16.0 Release Candidate 1). Other notable
changes are listed on http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/knot2
KDE has been updated to 3.5.4. Other notable Kubuntu changes are
listed on http://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu
Since this is a prerelease set of images, you can expect some
bugs. Among them are the following (so there is no need to report
these if you encounter them):
* The desktop CD installer may be unable to start the advanced
partitioner in some situations when there are errors on
filesystems on the hard disk.
* The edubuntu-server package is not automatically installed when
you do a default installation of Edubuntu.
* The new version of usplash seems to cause the desktop CD to fail
to boot for some people, if you experience that, removing "splash"
from the kernel command line might help.
* If you experience a flickering application menu, you need to
remove /etc/xdg/menu/debian-menu.menu
If you're interested in following the changes as we further develop
Edgy, have a look at the edgy-changes list:
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edgy-changes
We also suggest that you subscribe to the ubuntu-devel-announce
mailing list if you're interested in following Ubuntu
development. This is a low-traffic list (a few posts a week) carrying
announcements of approved specifications, policy changes, alpha
releases, and other interesting events.
http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-ann...
The Testing area of the wiki suggests various tests that can be
performed on Knot CD releases, to try to catch bugs as soon as
possible so they can be fixed:
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing
Bug reports should go to Malone:
https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
Enjoy,
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Ubuntu 6.10 alpha - Knot 2 released Posted Sep 1, 2006 18:36 UTC (Fri) by Zenith (subscriber, #24899) [Link] * If you experience a flickering application menu, you need to remove /etc/xdg/menu/debian-menu.menuThe correct path would be /etc/xdg/menus/debian-menu.menuHad this most annoying bug happen as I (ups) accidentally upgraded a buddy's computer to edgy ;) He wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't for this bug....
Ubuntu 6.10 alpha - Knot 2 released Posted Sep 1, 2006 22:05 UTC (Fri) by richo123 (guest, #24309) [Link] Cripes I looked it on my system a not that long ago and it sure was "edgy". Your buddy may be fry panning you shortly
Ubuntu 6.10 alpha - Knot 2 released Posted Sep 2, 2006 22:16 UTC (Sat) by alspnost (subscriber, #2763) [Link] Well, I have this running on my machine now (alongside Dapper). The install was uneventful and worked perfectly.So far, there's really nothing compelling in this new release though. Beyond that warm fuzzy "everything is up to date" feeling, it looks and behaves identically to Dapper at this point. I sort of think it might be faster, but it could be the placebo effect of course.... I guess there are improvements coming in the pipeline still, but we're not that from the the beta so I doubt there are radical changes in store. This may not be a bad thing; Dapper is a fantastic OS, and this is just a version refresh with a few bells.
Ubuntu 6.10 - what's to come Posted Sep 3, 2006 20:03 UTC (Sun) by rvfh (subscriber, #31018) [Link] There are still things coming. One of my favourite is the new upstart, to replace sysvinit, and providing faster shut down. There should be improvements in the support for people with special needs, Xen, Zeroconf, I think uswsusp the user-space suspend and more.
Ubuntu 6.10 - what's to come Posted Sep 9, 2006 17:26 UTC (Sat) by kitterma (subscriber, #4448) [Link] I agree this is interesting. I'd like it if someone who understands it better than I would write an article for LWN on this.
Ubuntu 6.10 - what's to come Posted Sep 9, 2006 19:45 UTC (Sat) by dberkholz (subscriber, #23346) [Link] You mean like this, or were you referring to something else?
Ubuntu 6.10 - what's to come Posted Sep 9, 2006 20:03 UTC (Sat) by kitterma (subscriber, #4448) [Link] I was thinking of something more technically detailed. I've read the blog entries about it and I get the general idea.
What I don't know yet (and I'd like to) is what this means for the customized initialization scripts I'm running.
I'd be interested in someone trying out the upstart native process and publishing a lessons-learned/how-to on migrating scripts from the Debian sysvinit to upstart.
I've got a test server running Edgy now and I'd be willing to experiment with this is there were some footsteps to follow in.
Ubuntu 6.10 - what's to come Posted Sep 9, 2006 20:07 UTC (Sat) by dberkholz (subscriber, #23346) [Link] You could probably figure it out yourself. I know it comes with some sort of -compat package that you could compare with the original init scripts.
Ubuntu 6.10 - what's to come Posted Sep 9, 2006 20:16 UTC (Sat) by kitterma (subscriber, #4448) [Link] Yes, I'm sure I could with sufficient time.
I think it would be useful for someone who has sufficient time, patience, and experience to get themselves out of trouble (I'm lacking at least two of those just now) to get in under the hood and let us know how it is going.
Since there are other sysvinit replacement efforts in progress, perhaps a compare and contrast article would be useful.
Ubuntu 6.10 alpha - Knot 2 released (New Features) Posted Sep 4, 2006 8:38 UTC (Mon) by Felix.Braun (subscriber, #3032) [Link] I know, it's just eye candy and all, but Edgy enables the X compose extension by default on platforms that support it. I've just installed compiz and am delighted to say that everything worked "out of the box". A first time for me to have an AIGLX powered desktop. I'm not quite sure whether it'll bring a big improvement in productivity but it sure has some bling going for it, even on my slightly underpowered Celeron 1GHz with i845 onboard graphics! I'm still a bit dizzy from all the streching and wobbling going on :-)
Ubuntu 6.10 alpha - Knot 2 released Posted Sep 2, 2006 23:50 UTC (Sat) by hooty (subscriber, #7374) [Link] It's odd they ship Firefox 2.0b1... I doubt it will be final before Edgy ships.
Ubuntu 6.10 alpha - Knot 2 released Posted Sep 3, 2006 22:05 UTC (Sun) by hawk (subscriber, #3195) [Link] Well, we have 2.0b2 now, and 2.0rc1 should be out in a couple of weeks.
From what I've understood, rc1 is the only planned rc, so that may well be released as the final version. However, if that does not work out, it really does seem that Edgy will ship first.
Still I think it may be a reasonable choice to go with Firefox 2.0, even if that means shipping with 2.0rcx...
Ubuntu 6.10 alpha - Knot 2 released Posted Sep 5, 2006 14:39 UTC (Tue) by gravious (guest, #7662) [Link] not if extensions and add-ons are broken out of the box i should hope :(del.icio.us, web developer & webmail compose are all broken here
Ubuntu 6.10 alpha - Knot 2 released Posted Sep 3, 2006 13:47 UTC (Sun) by finster (guest, #32338) [Link] Can anyone here compare this to debian sid or kanotix 2006.0? I have never tried Ubuntu although a colleague had the gnome desktop mess up when he changed his theme to something besides the default. I presume that was a gnome issue and could happen regardless of distro.
Ubuntu vs Debian and Knoppix/Kanotix Posted Sep 3, 2006 19:50 UTC (Sun) by rvfh (subscriber, #31018) [Link] Kanotix is Knoppix-based, so don't expect to be able to upgrade (unless that's been fixed without my noticing), and anyway that's really a (excellent) live CD, that's what it's designed for. Debian is usually more conservative on their choice of packages, so no bells and whistles, just solid rock. Ubuntu fills the gap: it is bleeding edge just like Kanotix, and is a live CD too, but then if you like it you can install and update/upgrade it. My breezy server has now been upgraded to Dapper, and will be to Edgy in time. Note that with Ubuntu you can also keep running the live CD and have your own packages/data installed (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDPersistence). Amazing, no? Hope that helps!
Ubuntu vs Debian and Knoppix/Kanotix Posted Sep 4, 2006 21:30 UTC (Mon) by phython (subscriber, #3278) [Link] > Debian is usually more conservative on their choice of packages, so no bells and whistles, just solid rock.
This is true of debian stable. However, sid, the unstable branch, usually has software that is a bit more up to date than Ubuntu, as Ubuntu branches from sid. However, given how the Debian/Ubuntu development works, sometimes things are the other way around.
Ubuntu vs Debian and Knoppix/Kanotix Posted Sep 6, 2006 7:40 UTC (Wed) by kmself (subscriber, #11565) [Link] The other significant distinction between Debian and Ubuntu is the default package selection and polish. While you can install a nicely configured end-user GNOME desktop with Debian (look up 'tasksel' in the install docs), this is what Ubuntu gives you by "It Just Works[tm]" default. Mind, if you want a KDE or XFCE desktop, you'll want to look at the Ubuntu side projects Kubuntu and Xubuntu, respectively. Any of those three desktops is going to be pretty nicely and tightly configured. Ubuntu also releases updates on a more frequently, and adhered-to schedule than Debian (which prefers a "when it's ready" approach). While Ubuntu's had a desktop emphasis to date, it's always been a good server choice, and now has a release specifically tailored for server deployments. What Debian gives you over Ubuntu, from a technical standpoint, is more choice. There are three principle release levels: stable, testing, and unstable. There are more packages, over 20k with a couple of additional repositories (including Ubuntu's Universe and Multiverse gets you pretty close). I'm not entirely sure where the CPU architecture support compares, but I believe Debian's going to buy you those odd PPC and MIPS chips where Ubuntu won't. It's not atypical to start a Debian installation as a minimum of packages (a hundred or so fitting within 150 MB) and simply install additional packages (and their dependencies, through the magic of APT) as you need them. You can do this with Ubuntu ... but you're sort of losing the principle advantage of Ubuntu in doing so. On the non-technical side there are the project goals. Ubuntu is a company-backed distro. It does pledge to be freely available, and to offer community support. It's founder has serious creds in both the Debian and tech industry worlds: Mark Shuttleworth is a former Debian developer, and founded Thawte (since sold to Verisign). Ubuntu's now got about a three-four year track record and seems to be doing pretty well at holding to its goals. The Debian project is community-based, 13 years old, and has a constitution stating its goals. Beyond that, there are minor differences between the two distros. Enough that if you try to get Ubuntu support on a Debian channel you'll be gently told "Ubuntu isn't Debian". Packages may not be compatible, configurations may differ. Mostly small stuff but enough to make a difference in specific advice. What do I run? Debian, mostly, Ubuntu occasionally, Knoppix for rescue, other distros given sufficient reasons per hour. Why do I choose Debian? Because both the technical and organizational attributes match my own better than Ubuntu for the most part: I'm a bit old-school in my tools, prefer an alternative desktop to those provided by Ubuntu (WindowMaker, not GNOME, KDE, or XFCE), and prefer to roll out my own systems as I want them. What do I recommend to people, particularly those for whom an explanation running five paragraphs is necessary? Ubuntu. If you're cutting your teeth with Linux, it's an excellent place to start. If you've used other distros, particularly those concerning rose-colored headgear, you should find it a welcome breath of fresh air. And if you want to cut over to straight Debian later, you'll have an excellent base to do so. Though that need not be strictly necessary.
Nitpick Posted Sep 7, 2006 3:59 UTC (Thu) by maney (subscriber, #12630) [Link] Ubuntu's first release was less than two years ago. Warty Warthog came out in October 2004. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthogReleaseSchedule
I know, it seems longer ago than that to me, too. :-)
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