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Fedora Core to drop openmotifFedora Core to drop openmotifPosted Aug 31, 2006 16:40 UTC (Thu) by shalem (subscriber, #4062)Parent article: Fedora Core to drop openmotif
Corbet, usually I appreciate your lwn work very much, but now you're reporting untruths, nobody has said that things like nedit, ddd and xpdf will be removed if not finished in time. This is a non issue as they have already been tested to compile and run fine with the new lesstif before this was decided / reported.
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Fedora Core to drop openmotif Posted Aug 31, 2006 16:48 UTC (Thu) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link] Exactly what will happen to applications which no longer build or run on Fedora systems after openmotif is gone? Not all of them have been shown to work with lesstif yet, from my reading of the discussion...
Fedora Core to drop openmotif Posted Aug 31, 2006 16:53 UTC (Thu) by shalem (subscriber, #4062) [Link] AFAIK only fbida will be dropped because that must have the real motif (and then only the ida part of it).
All others are fine with lesstif
Fedora Core to drop openmotif Posted Aug 31, 2006 20:05 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
Actually pretty much all of the applications that currently work with openmotif in Fedora Core and Fedora Extras repository already works well with lesstif and has been tested to do so.
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/200...
Fedora Core to drop openmotif Posted Sep 1, 2006 6:15 UTC (Fri) by achitnis (subscriber, #20) [Link] If I read this correctly, LWN reported *this* (seemingly authoritative) message:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RexDieter/openmotif
and that is certainly an official Fedora page.
And it clearly says that these packages have to be ported to use lesstif, and that it is the maintainer's job.
Doesn't say anywhere that the Fedora team is going to be doing that (as you seem to imply).
Fedora Core to drop openmotif Posted Sep 1, 2006 13:56 UTC (Fri) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
First of all, no thats not a official page, its a developers personal wiki space and the mail explicitly mentions that only a recompilation against lesstif would be required.
There is no claim of dropping packages anywhere from the project itself. If the editor has to add a opinion, that should be separated from the news report itself. LWN usually does that by using colored text.
Fedora Core to drop openmotif Posted Sep 1, 2006 14:15 UTC (Fri) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link] The "personal wiki space" contains the same text which was sent to the lists, and which was discussed by the developers and advisory board. You, Rahul, approved it. It's hard to see how it could be a whole lot more official than that?Meanwhile, I based my conclusions on, among other things, this message from a certain Rahul Sundaram, noting the need to "fix or drop packages as necessary." From that I concluded there would be a need to fix packages, or they might just be dropped. If the issues with all packages have been resolved, and none will be dropped, that is great - and I'll admit I was just a little behind the news.
Fedora Core to drop openmotif Posted Sep 1, 2006 14:45 UTC (Fri) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
I was just pointing out that by itself pages in the wiki under a personal space do not constitute any official opinion.
If you are following mailing list discussions, the above packages were reported to work with lesstif by others
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/200...
Tom Callaway reported that he has tested that the applications and they build fine with lesstif at
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/200...
fbida is the only application in the formal Fedora repositories that required more work even which has already been done.
Fedora Core to drop openmotif Posted Sep 8, 2006 1:11 UTC (Fri) by jschrod (subscriber, #1646) [Link] rahulsundaram asserted:There is no claim of dropping packages anywhere from the project itself.corbet confirmed: I based my conclusions on, among other things, this message from a certain Rahul Sundaram, noting the need to "fix or drop packages as necessary."Was it really necessary to answer with a straw man: I was just pointing out that by itself pages in the wiki under a personal space do not constitute any official opinion.Hit dogs bark, don't they? As a reader who was not involved in the discussion and who doesn't even use Fedora, let me tell you: you might have wanted to "just point out". But then you expressed yourself very badly, much more so than Jonathan did in the Fedora case that you complain so heavily about. At least he cited correctly official Fedora messages, if a bit old. Your answer comes around like childish fingerpointing, just FYI, to give you feedback on your communication style. Cheers, Joachim
Fedora Core to drop openmotif Posted Sep 8, 2006 7:49 UTC (Fri) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link] The problem with calling people pages "official" is that there are many such wiki pages in Fedora under which we dont track and have half baked project ideas amoung other things. While messages in Rex Dieter's page currently has information that we did discuss, it does not mention that the distribution is dropping any packages either.
I did mention that in a early discussion that we might have to drop packages if they dont compile under lesstif I have pointed out several other mails after that where it was found that it wasnt necessary and one would normally differentiate between developer discusssions and project announcements.
In short, the speculation that caused unnecessary confusion could have been avoided by reading the announcement as well as later mails.
Fedora Core to drop openmotif Posted Sep 1, 2006 15:52 UTC (Fri) by jaboutboul (guest, #32021) [Link] Quick!! Call the fire department!! A Linux distribution which prides itself on its commitment to the founding principles of the Open Source and Free Software movements decides to ship *ONLY* free and open source software. Someone alert the authorities! These radical fundamentalists must be stopped! Mommy!
Fedora Core to drop openmotif Posted Aug 31, 2006 16:51 UTC (Thu) by dowdle (subscriber, #659) [Link] Jon isn't trafficing in untruths. If something isn't fixed... a situation also known as "broken"... then it would be pulled (at least temporarily), right?
The email Jon includes states clearly that while there may be some ABI incompatibility, the vast majority of applications are easily switchable.
I think you overreacted but not harmfully so... but who wouldn't when someone is talking about ones baby?
My thanks to you for your continuing work on project that I enjoyably benefit from... Fedora!
Fedora Core to drop openmotif Posted Aug 31, 2006 16:57 UTC (Thu) by shalem (subscriber, #4062) [Link] He is drawing up conclusions / looking into the future, maybe not untruths but the artikel makes it looks as if this dropping has already been decided by Fedora, which it hasn't (as things are expected to just work). IOW I feel like he is putting words into the mouth of the Fedora project, the dropping is his conclusion and hasn't been mentioned anywhere on the Fedora lists (sofar).
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