Google To Launch Ad-Free Open Source Project Site (LinuxWorld) [LWN.net]

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Posted Jul 28, 2006 19:38 UTC (Fri) by arcticwolf (guest, #8341) [Link]

Well, Sourceforge has a large number of projects, and I doubt all of them are suddenly going to switch to a new site even though the old one works for them.

Some will, of course, but in the long run, some competition can only be a good thing. Sourceforge is an invaluable site and has provided a great service to the community for which I (and doubtlessly many others) will always be very grateful, but it's hard to deny that the site hasn't actually changed all that much ever since it started back in... well, when was it, anyway? 2000? Something like that, IIRC...

Competition will definitely be good: if Google provides a better experience, Sourceforge will have to catch up (and try to take the lead again, too), which ultimately will be a good thing for every user of either site.

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Posted Jul 29, 2006 21:49 UTC (Sat) by hawk (subscriber, #3195) [Link]

Considering the problems that Sourceforge has had for a long time, especially with regard to CVS reliability (are these problems over?), I could really see a many projects moving somewhere else.

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Posted Jul 28, 2006 22:27 UTC (Fri) by pphaneuf (guest, #23480) [Link]

They also have a much smaller offering at the moment. For example, there's no web hosting and no file release download. I don't remember seeing mailing lists either, but I might have just missed it. Still, worth checking out.

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Posted Jul 29, 2006 2:36 UTC (Sat) by zotz (guest, #26117) [Link]

Exactly what do you mean by "no file release download"???

You can get at files via the subversion web interface at least.

Like this:

http://drsoundwall.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/drsoundwall/

all the best,

drew
(da idea man)

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Posted Jul 29, 2006 8:31 UTC (Sat) by pphaneuf (guest, #23480) [Link]

I mean more something like this. One could of course create a special directory in their Subversion repository to put binary tarballs, I suppose.

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Posted Jul 28, 2006 23:02 UTC (Fri) by sbishop (guest, #33061) [Link]

I've been looking forward to a replacement to SourceForge for a long time; the user interface is absolutely awful. What absolutely drives me bananas is searching through the mailing-list archives. I've never been able to figure out a straightforward way of getting from an email found by searching to the other emails in the thread.

Also, I wonder how this might influence the Python devs' search for a new bug/issue tracker, given the tight Python<->Google connection. It looks like the only thing they're missing is the data-import functionality.

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Posted Jul 29, 2006 2:33 UTC (Sat) by zotz (guest, #26117) [Link]

I am not sure what you mean by data import functionality and I am not too familiar with subversion, but do you mean this?

svn import https://drsoundwall.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/drsoundwall-... zotzbro

That's how I got my code up there yesterday.

I was toying with putting this project up somewhere, but it was not a high enough priority to apply for a sourceforge or other project for it. Hten I saw the google announcement and it is now up and available. I am toyin with putting up the exe version which I made for the DJ's at the stations. I really need to learn how to put my own icon in the file before doing that though.

http://code.google.com/p/drwoundwall/ - enjoy.

all the best,

drew
(da idea man)

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Posted Jul 29, 2006 2:40 UTC (Sat) by zotz (guest, #26117) [Link]

Oops, that last link should have be:

http://code.google.com/p/drsoundwall/

and not:

http://code.google.com/p/drwoundwall/

I made a typo yesterday when setting up the project and it bit me again.

all the best,

drew
(da idea man)

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Posted Jul 29, 2006 3:56 UTC (Sat) by sbishop (guest, #33061) [Link]

Looking at this closer, Google is short in at least two areas: importing and exporting.

On that "CallForTrackers" page I linked to, the first requirement listed is "Can import SF data." (That's the kind of importing I was talking about.) However, according to Google that isn't possible: http://code.google.com/hosting/faq.html#importproject. And "Can export data" is requirement number two, which is also a no-go: http://code.google.com/hosting/faq.html#getacopy. So it doesn't look like Python's going to be moving there. Perhaps I ought to check the python-dev list and see if there's been any discussion about this...

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Posted Jul 29, 2006 6:32 UTC (Sat) by gstein (guest, #3612) [Link]

As the person in charge of our new hosting feature, and a long-time Python user (and previous Python coder/contributor), I can say that import won't be a problem. I talked about this with Brett Cannon a while ago, and we can work with Brett and company to get the data imported.

Regarding export: that's on the roadmap. We don't want to lock up the data.

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Posted Jul 29, 2006 13:01 UTC (Sat) by Los__D (guest, #15263) [Link]

<stupid joke>
So, were you forced to change your first name into something that would start with G after you were hired, or were you hired because of it? :D
</stupid joke>

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Posted Jul 29, 2006 8:12 UTC (Sat) by tzafrir (subscriber, #11501) [Link]

requires login. Thanks, but no, thanks.

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Posted Jul 29, 2006 12:25 UTC (Sat) by zotz (guest, #26117) [Link]

What does it require a login for?

To view a project or to make a project or something else?

It doesn't seem over the top to require an account to be set up in order to create a project there. I seem to be able to view my project when I am logged out as well as logged in.

all the best,

drew
(da idea man)

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Posted Jul 29, 2006 14:00 UTC (Sat) by tzafrir (subscriber, #11501) [Link]

I don't know what exactly requires login. I just followed your link and bomped into a login request.

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Posted Jul 29, 2006 14:23 UTC (Sat) by zotz (guest, #26117) [Link]

Perhaps it was the link I mistakenly posted to the project I mistakenly created and then asked to have deleted.

This one:

http://code.google.com/p/drsoundwall/

should not need a login and nor should:

http://drsoundwall.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/drsoundwall/

this one, at least they seem to let me access them when I am not logged in. Please let me know if you have different results.

all the best,

drew
(da idea man)

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Posted Jul 29, 2006 18:41 UTC (Sat) by pphaneuf (guest, #23480) [Link]

After some looking around, they seem to be encouraging the use of Google Groups (which I have never used) as the mailing list component. Assuming Google Groups is decent, I'd call it good integration and reuse, we'll see...

Google Groups == the usenet

Posted Aug 7, 2006 18:48 UTC (Mon) by bjornen (guest, #38874) [Link]

Hmm, I suspect you already know this but... Google Groups is actually the
usenet and predates the world wide web by ~15 year. [Google Groups archive
goes back to 1981.]