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I seems obvious that he hasn't heard of Universe and Multiverse...
Ubuntu Linux 6.06 review (Jem Report)
Posted Jul 26, 2006 16:49 UTC (Wed) by josh_stern (guest, #4868)
Posted Jul 26, 2006 17:30 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333)
It's not like people don't try. Go to ubuntuguide.org and do a search for 'java'. It's the first link that comes up in a number of searches.
It gives you specificly directions on how to enable repository and to use alternatives to switch from gij to sun's java. The whole thing is like 7 lines of text and it tells you exactly what you must do.
I mean _SERIOUSLY_ Not even windows comes with a Java development environment.
Posted Jul 26, 2006 17:56 UTC (Wed) by TwoTimeGrime (guest, #11688)
But MacOS X does. What point are you trying to make?
Posted Jul 26, 2006 18:41 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333)
This reviewer is basing how 'enterprise ready' something is based on the experiances of going through a installer, which is just silly.
Ya I can't expect a average user to know what repositories are having come straight from Windows, but I can expect them to at least look through the basic documentation provided for them. I mean it's not even 'man' files or anything.
Posted Jul 27, 2006 13:06 UTC (Thu) by emj (guest, #14307)
That's not fun..
Posted Jul 26, 2006 19:09 UTC (Wed) by josh_stern (guest, #4868)
Posted Jul 26, 2006 22:07 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333)
To work around the legalities and logistics Ubuntu is simply not able to support as many packages as they'd like. So for packages they choose not to support they simply recompile from Debian packages and stick them in 'universe'. Then for stuff that is legally suspect they stick in multiverse.
This is reality provided by the limited time that Ubuntu is willing to devote to supporting packages. I don't know of a way around it. Using Debian sourced packages is probably the best thing they can do.
That's a hell of a lot easier to deal with then with Windows were there is no package management system. The closest you get is 'Tucows.com'.
"To take a different example, what about the new user who wants to look at their web pages with the arial font?"
Edit --> preferences --> general tab (the one open by default) --> select arial font.
Not too difficult.
Posted Jul 26, 2006 22:40 UTC (Wed) by josh_stern (guest, #4868)
Posted Jul 26, 2006 21:45 UTC (Wed) by peace (guest, #10016)
Ubuntu has made the right decisions regarding what to include in their out of the box install. If you'r a developer on Ubuntu be thankful that it's just a few trivial configuration changes to get yourself setup.
Posted Jul 27, 2006 15:13 UTC (Thu) by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458)
I dunno. Ubuntu (specially 6.06LTS) is supposed to be an Enterprise ready Linux system, and that certainly includes developing Java stuff.
Posted Jul 27, 2006 15:34 UTC (Thu) by peace (guest, #10016)
Also, enterprise ready does not mean it's ready for _your_ enterprise right out of the box with all the shortcuts and desktop backgrounds necessary for the opporation of your core data services. You will still need to tailor it to meat your needs. As I said, this is trivial so all the fuss seems like so much whining.
Posted Jul 27, 2006 17:10 UTC (Thu) by arafel (subscriber, #18557)
Plus, to be honest, if the guy can't work out the mechanics of removing gij and installing Sun's JDK, I don't want to run anything he's written...
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