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Patent infringement suit filed against Red Hat (No Lobbyists As Such)

Patent infringement suit filed against Red Hat (No Lobbyists As Such)

Posted Jul 3, 2006 6:21 UTC (Mon) by FlorianMueller (guest, #32048)
Parent article: Patent infringement suit filed against Red Hat (No Lobbyists As Such)

For the record, I have meanwhile published excerpts from emails posted to an anti-software patent mailing list by an adviser to a key MEP (Member of the European Parliament):
http://www.no-lobbyists-as-such.com/florian-mueller-blog/red-hat-mark-webbink/

The author asked me not to publish his name, but he did authorize the publication of those excerpts. I hope this will address some people's concerns about whether I said the truth.


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Patent infringement suit filed against Red Hat (No Lobbyists As Such)

Posted Jul 3, 2006 7:35 UTC (Mon) by Zack (guest, #37335) [Link]

In your blog entry you write:

"I believe the above should eliminate all reasonable doubt about what happened that day."

Yes, I think it now stands that someone called someone (who knew someone) to whom that call seemed odd and then wrote about that on a private mailing list.

But to jump to the conclusion that Mark Webbink on that day actively worked against no software patents requires a leap of faith I'm not willing to make considering that political lobbying is an industry where ones mastery of smoke and mirrors is considered a valuable asset and hidden personal agendas are a fact of life.

To give an example of what I consider to be opaque political manoeuvring:

As to your motives you write early on:

"It’s really simple: on the occasion of a patent suit having been filed against Red Hat, I thought it was time to tell the truth. Especially the free and open source software (FOSS) community should know where certain key players stand."
or,

People should know where Redhat stands

and at the end:

"I’d like to reiterate what I said in my previous post: What Mark Webbink did behind the scenes is not necessarily Red Hat’s position as a company, even though Red Hat has entrusted him with patent lobbying."
or,
but it might not necessarily be the position of Redhat

which combined give:
People should know where Redhat might or might not stand.

Such rhetorics do not instill trust.

I hope you can see why at least some people find it hard to take your allegations at face value.

Patent infringement suit filed against Red Hat (No Lobbyists As Such)

Posted Jul 3, 2006 15:21 UTC (Mon) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767) [Link]

I don't understand how publication in your blog of snippets of emails, editted by you, still from an anonymous source, allegedly posted to a private list which we do not have access to, which don't really even come out fully in support of your claims, is supposed to help your position.

I'm still as skeptical as I was before, since nothing has changed, except that you have again failed to provide anything that we can verify.

One could hope that a self-proclaimed champion of the software patent resistance would demonstrate better judgement.

Patent infringement suit filed against Red Hat (No Lobbyists As Such)

Posted Jul 5, 2006 20:45 UTC (Wed) by GreyWizard (guest, #1026) [Link]

Well said.

Patent infringement suit filed against Red Hat (No Lobbyists As Such)

Posted Jul 7, 2006 1:29 UTC (Fri) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link]

"I don't understand how publication in your blog of snippets of emails... *which don't really even come out fully in support of your claims*, is supposed to help your position." [my emphasis]

Exactly my thoughts on reading what Mr Mueller published; even with the heavy editing and removal of almost all context, the emails only suggest (at worst) that an advisor to an MEP formed an impression and agreed with an allegation.

Mr Webbink may be a lawyer; it's clear that Mr Mueller is a politician.

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