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Some LWN notes

It has been a while since we have posted on the status of LWN. Now seems like a good time to catch up, especially since your editor is traveling and can write this article ahead of time.

Subscriptions to LWN continue to grow, but that growth continues to be slow. Very slow. Various schemes for improving the situation are in the works, but various complications have impeded the process. We are contemplating hiring another editor to help to expand and improve the LWN content mix; those plans remain vague at this time.

We are always looking for writers, however. To that end, we have raised our (still inadequate) pay scales a bit. If you have something to say to the community, and you are willing to write for demanding editors and even more demanding readers, please have a look at the writing for LWN page and contact us.

Readers of the RSS feeds may have noticed some changes which have been made there. It has (slowly) occurred to us that RSS seems to be the primary interface to the site for many readers, and that maybe we should pay a bit of attention to it. There is also a new feed which tracks the most recently posted comments; anybody who is interested in tracking the LWN discussion across the site is encouraged to subscribe. See the LWN headlines page for a full list of available feeds; expect to see some others before too long.

Maybe someday we'll implement an Atom feed and be properly buzzword compliant, but that is rather lower on the list of priorities.

When LWN first started allowing comment posting, some readers predicted that one result might be the death of the "Letters to the Editor" page. Those readers may well have been right; the Weekly Edition almost never includes a Letters page anymore, because there are no letters to publish on it. So we are considering just dropping that page altogether. The alternative, for those who would like to see that page retained, would be to start sending us letters.

Occasionally we get queries from people who would like to reuse content published on LWN, often translated into other languages. We have never yet refused such a request. We are still evolving a complete policy on licensing of LWN content, but it will look something like this:

  • Subscriber-only content is "all rights reserved," and we ask that it not be redistributed during the subscriber-only period. We are currently evaluating various DRM technologies for controlling access to these articles; we assume that LWN readers would not object to, say, loading a binary-only browser extension to access our content.

    OK, so maybe some people would object. We won't do that.

  • All LWN-authored content which is not in subscriber-only mode can be treated as available under the Creative Commons Attribution Sharealike license. We will eventually change the notices on the site to make this licensing explicit.

  • Postings from public mailing lists and comments on the site are owned by their original authors. Anybody wanting to reuse that material should contact the author for permission.

  • Articles from guest authors (those which carry a "this article was contributed by" banner) continue to be owned by those authors. We may try to get an explicit right to put a free license on at least some of those articles, but, to this date, we have not done so. So anybody wanting to reuse material from a guest author should contact that author; we can facilitate that communication if need be.

This policy is still under development; we're interested in any suggestions or advice that anybody might have.

Finally, for those of you who will be at the Ottawa Linux Symposium this year, LWN editor Jonathan Corbet will be talking on the state of Linux kernel development. It is, at this point, almost as traditional as the Black Thorn party.


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Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 22, 2006 0:34 UTC (Thu) by mattdm (subscriber, #18) [Link]

[...] LWN editor Jonathan Corbet will be talking on the state of Linux kernel development. It is, at this point, almost as traditional as the Black Thorn party.

And almost as vital. Thanks again!

Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 22, 2006 1:35 UTC (Thu) by da4089 (subscriber, #1195) [Link]

assuming the "subscriber-only DRM" joke was a reader alertness test, i suppose i should mention that i saw it ... :-)

Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 22, 2006 5:53 UTC (Thu) by bferrell (subscriber, #624) [Link]

I, for one, welcome our DRM overlord/masters

Please adjust my medication

:)

Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 22, 2006 9:07 UTC (Thu) by xyz (subscriber, #504) [Link]

I assume that this DRM pluggin will run only in the last linux version
(read the one released after LWN publication). ;-)

Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 22, 2006 9:28 UTC (Thu) by pointwood (guest, #2814) [Link]

I seriously don't understand why there aren't many more that find a LWN subcription worth it. It's good to hear that at least there is growth.

I love the writing, the humour - lwn.net makes me look forward to every thursdag :)

worth it?

Posted Jul 1, 2006 23:20 UTC (Sat) by niner (subscriber, #26151) [Link]

I'd find it very much worth it. LWN is probably the only site on the net for which I would pay.

But if I may quote the subscription page:
"We are working on other payment options, especially for Europeans without credit cards, but it may take a little while yet to set that up."

I'm European, I don't have a credit card and I am waiting for quite a while now for any payment option that I can use. But none in sight so far.

Don't know how the system in the US works, but a simple bank account in a EU bank would be enough for me to be able to transfer money without any charges. Collecting and transfering that money to LWN's US account from time to time should not cost too much.

Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 22, 2006 10:54 UTC (Thu) by farnz (guest, #17727) [Link]

If you dare put DRM crap onto LWN subscriber only stuff, you'd damn well better make sure that I can access it from all my Linux boxes, regardless of web browser, kernel version or CPU architecture. Makes your binary blob quite a daunting task :)

Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 22, 2006 13:30 UTC (Thu) by job (guest, #670) [Link]

I think what's mainly holding LWN subscriptions back now is probably visibility. I regularly talk to people about Linux stuff and when I sometimes mentioned something as being read over at LWN, there's often some raised eyebrows. I'm not sure what the best way to get noticed is, but perhaps getting some of the meatier articles linked to from the popular link aggregators or Linux pages might help.

Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 22, 2006 14:12 UTC (Thu) by tjc (subscriber, #137) [Link]

What are the "mainstream" Linux sites these days? linux.com, linuxtoday.com, and linux.org all seem to be languishing, the later for nigh on a decade. LWN and LJ seem to be the only ones worth reading on a regaular basis.

Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 22, 2006 20:12 UTC (Thu) by hazelsct (guest, #3659) [Link]

How exactly is Linux Today languishing? I find it informative and useful, and the Blazer version makes LT by far my Treo's #1 destination...

Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 22, 2006 23:49 UTC (Thu) by barbara (guest, #3014) [Link]

Your comment about LT tweaked my curiosity enough to revisit the site
after many months. Unfortunately it's still a pale imitation of what LT
once was a number of years ago. Back in the late '90's and the early part
of this decade this was one of the top Linux news sites (plus LWN of
course!). Now with all the Microsoft ads up front and centre, it doesn't
appear to have much Linux community spirit left. I also notice that
community announcements don't seem to be very important anymore, unlike
LWN and
LXer, my other favourite Linux news source.

LWN on LXer

Posted Jun 24, 2006 1:52 UTC (Sat) by grouch (guest, #27289) [Link]

Mr. Corbet failed to mention that he was instrumental in an experiment to get more exposure for LWN. One subscriber-only LWN story per week is featured at LXer, as a short "teaser" and a link to the full story on LWN. It allows non-subscribers to get a taste of what they're missing, by way of the subscriber link each LWN story allows.

Linux Today sucks

Posted Jun 24, 2006 8:52 UTC (Sat) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link]

You are completely right. For those of you that cannot be bothered to visit Linux Today's site: a big sidebar to the right of the front page called "Linux Reference Center" and sponsored by Microsoft offers to download "whitepapers" from the "Get the facts" campaign; they link to the orwellian "Microsoft Global Evidence Management". Very sad.

But it can be amusing too. One of the promoted cases is the clothes designer Tommy Hilfiger. Microsoft's Evidence Manager says:

After a year of attempting to develop an online retail presence using Linux, Tommy Hilfiger had made little progress. [...] Tommy Hilfiger met both goals by standardizing on Microsoft® software [...] Tommy Hilfiger gains a unified information infrastructure that extends from the company’s online presence to its global retail and wholesale operations and upon which new applications that improve business capabilities can rapidly be deployed.
Nice evidence; maybe there is more hidden on Microsoft's site, but I have not been able to find it with Firefox on Ubuntu. But Netcraft uptime tells a different story. The site was served on Solaris until the start of 2005, when they switched to an already running Linux system. For six months it worked without a reboot, accumulating more than 250 days of uptime. Then they switched to Windows 2003 server, which has barely surpassed 100 days of uptime since then.

No doubt they have other sites. In fact, when we access their site from Spain we are greeted by an OpenCMS system served from global.tommy.com, which is a recent Apache-on-Linux site. But if we go to the USA site, we get the same. So much for the "online presence".

What about the "global retail" part? Well, both the German and Austrian online stores are run from Apache on Linux. So maybe the "online retail presence" they wanted to build was yet another US-exclusive. There we can read:

tommy.com usa e-commerce re-opening fall '06
So their online store is closed for three more months at least. A very good example of "new applications that improve business capabilities can rapidly be deployed".

If this is not a Windows success story and it does not convince Linux people to switch, I don't know what will!

Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 26, 2006 15:10 UTC (Mon) by tjc (subscriber, #137) [Link]

How exactly is Linux Today languishing?
There used to be some good discussions on LT. It was a good site in 1998-2000, when slashdot started geting out of control, and before LWN had comments.

Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 24, 2006 4:40 UTC (Sat) by skybrian (subscriber, #365) [Link]

If you want more attention, you should try to get on digg, reddit, and slashdot. But LWN's emphasis on factual rather than sensational articles probably prevents that.

Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 24, 2006 5:12 UTC (Sat) by egoforth (guest, #2351) [Link]

Talk about a "best of the comments" section. This sums it up exactly for me and why I don't have time to waste on other sites. LWN does it right.

Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 22, 2006 14:05 UTC (Thu) by djmutex (subscriber, #12657) [Link]

Man, you guys crack me up sometimes. I almost got a heart attack reading that DRM sentence.

Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 22, 2006 14:46 UTC (Thu) by jbellis (guest, #14804) [Link]

What about a "best of the comments" section instead of Letters?

Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 23, 2006 11:33 UTC (Fri) by alspnost (guest, #2763) [Link]

I like this idea - but do the poor LWN editors actually have time to read every comment on the site? Some articles generate a massive flood of them. Perhaps a reader-driven recommendation system would work (as on OSnews)? That way, the LWN editors could sift through the top 10% or whatever, and choose some for the "best of" page....

Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 22, 2006 17:50 UTC (Thu) by acoffman (guest, #4599) [Link]

I thought the DRM joke was hilarious. Keep 'em coming.

Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 23, 2006 10:05 UTC (Fri) by sstein (guest, #15028) [Link]

Have you ever thought about putting google adsense banners on the free version of your site? I did this some time ago on my private site and the banner income increased by about 5 times compared to the small banner provider I used before.

Sebastian

Some LWN notes - RSS feed of comments

Posted Jun 24, 2006 1:04 UTC (Sat) by neilbrown (subscriber, #359) [Link]

> There is also a new feed which tracks the most recently posted
> comments; anybody who is interested in tracking the LWN discussion
> across the site is encouraged to subscribe.

I thought I would try this - with Liferea.

I am reminded of the quote - don't remember who said it - that RSS is
like NetNews reinvented badly....

I do like the fact that I can easily see comments made after I've read
the article. I'm even amused by the sudden spate of extra comments
that appear 7 days after a $$ article was published (SPF on VGER being
a case in point).

But there is so little context available when reading via RSS that
some comments are very hard to interpret - especially when people
(quite reasonably) change the subject.

It is also impossible to 'kill' a thread (as I would like to do with a
recent article about Novell leadership) - A problem I have also
noticed with RSS aggregators - you get all or nothing.

But for a constructive comment: Would it be possible that the
original article title remain in the RSS fed comment, maybe as a
footer:

<a href=http://lwn.net/Articles/18682>Comment on Some LWN notes</a>

??

LWN style sheets

Posted Jun 24, 2006 14:24 UTC (Sat) by ayeomans (subscriber, #1848) [Link]

Can I inject some controversy? One problem with LWN is that the stylistic design of the site looks rather tired and, dare I say it, boring? Compared with a glance at Slashdot, Newsforge, The Register, even LXer it doesn't *look* interesting.

Naturally I'm not referring to the content - it's the only site I value enough to pay a subscription. But to attract newbies we need to have enough fizz to make them take a second look and actually *read* the content.

Can I suggest you follow Slashdot's example and have a competition for a new layout style? (But please don't change the content!)

LWN style sheets

Posted Jun 24, 2006 16:06 UTC (Sat) by grouch (guest, #27289) [Link]

I like the layout at LWN.

LWN style sheets

Posted Jun 24, 2006 17:15 UTC (Sat) by dwkunkel (guest, #5999) [Link]

I love the layout! Simple, clean, and readable.

LWN style sheets

Posted Jun 25, 2006 8:36 UTC (Sun) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link]

I think that ayeomans is not complaining about the design, but that it has not changed much recently. I agree that it could use some modern CSS layout; table-based layout is boring. Just do the following simple experiment: visit a LWN page of your choice with Firefox and select "View -> Page style -> No style". Some colors are gone, but it barely changes. Now do the same with Slashdot, The Register, LXer. The result is not pretty.

A face lift keeping the old style is hard to do. The Register did it recently: they changed the layout so it was still The Register but nicer and more readable. I'm sure LWN can do it too!

LWN style sheets

Posted Jun 26, 2006 21:06 UTC (Mon) by ayeomans (subscriber, #1848) [Link]

Close - not that LWN has not changed, but other sites have. And shown what can be done with the new browsers. I bet LWN would work well in Mosaic still!

The fonts used are rather staid. (I'm not intending to start the font war troll, BTW, but some are nicer and easier to read than Times.) The spacing between paragraphs is quite large, leading to a sparse appearance and a need to scroll. The boxes around comments are rather picky. Colours are hardly used at all, when they could enhance navigation, at least for the well-sighted.

Not that I'd either advocate going as far as other sites. Microsoft.com is a great test for short-sightedness :-) Other blogs also test visual discrimination with grey on light grey typography - a triumph of style over function.

LWN style sheets

Posted Jun 27, 2006 15:31 UTC (Tue) by rwmj (subscriber, #5474) [Link]

I liked the old ("yellow columns") layout :-)

Rich.

LWN style sheets

Posted Jun 30, 2006 8:34 UTC (Fri) by quintesse (subscriber, #14569) [Link]

Definitely boring!

And anybody knows how to keep the same layout on the homepage after having logged in? Now I always log in for a comment and immediately log out again ;-)

Alternative front page

Posted Jul 3, 2006 18:46 UTC (Mon) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]

If you like the anonymous-reader version of the front page, you can always find it here. I should probably make that a preference someday.

More generally, a visual overhaul of the LWN site is on my list of things to do. Said list remains long, though...

Some LWN notes: subscription period

Posted Jun 24, 2006 17:24 UTC (Sat) by maya (guest, #3975) [Link]

Sorry if I'm missing something, but what happened to the idea of extending the subscription period from one week to two weeks?

maya

Some LWN notes: subscription period

Posted Jul 3, 2006 18:48 UTC (Mon) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]

That idea was pretty well rejected by the subscriber readership, so we set aside.

Some LWN notes: to accelerate subscription growth

Posted Jun 25, 2006 17:04 UTC (Sun) by maya (guest, #3975) [Link]

> Subscriptions to LWN continue to grow, but that growth continues to be slow. Very slow.

How about send-an-account (free subscription for, say, 3 months) as well as send-a-link? It should be a handier way for subscribers to recommend lwn to their friends, and also make it easier for the newcomers (those who were invited) to see the value of subscribing to lwn. I thought this would help grow subscriptions to lwn more, just like social network services' invitations.

maya

Some LWN notes: to accelerate subscription growth

Posted Jun 27, 2006 15:31 UTC (Tue) by rwmj (subscriber, #5474) [Link]

I'd really like to be able to send a link to a subscription article.

Rich.

Some LWN notes: to accelerate subscription growth

Posted Jun 27, 2006 16:23 UTC (Tue) by james (subscriber, #1325) [Link]

On the left, underneath the lwn.net logo and advert on any subscriber-only article:
Logged in as rwmj
My Account
Log out

Subscriber links
Send a link

I'd make that last line <blink>, but that might make me unpopular (and isn't allowed anyway).

Hope this helps.

Some LWN notes: to accelerate subscription growth

Posted Jun 28, 2006 16:19 UTC (Wed) by maya (guest, #3975) [Link]

In case it's troublesome to implement it, I think simply making it free for the first (say) 3 months to anyone (not having any kind of invitation by those who are already subscribing to lwn) seems to work, too. This seems to work well if this free trial could be applied to corporate/group subscription.

maya

Some LWN notes

Posted Jun 29, 2006 18:24 UTC (Thu) by Nicolas (guest, #28602) [Link]

If you ever get to hire a new editor, I would suggest trying to get
somebody from outside north america. Although you do a reasonable job at
taking a broader point of view, it is only natural that your vision is
partly biased.

Somebody from some other part of the world could have access to different
news and would also bring a different cultural background. This could be
important to reach a larger audience.

my 2c

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