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Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code
Nokia has announced the release of its "S60 WebKit" under the BSD license. "Nokia's open sourcing of the engine to its high-performance S60 mobile
browser, which replicates on handheld devices the true web-page rendering
of complete desktop browsers, marks the start of a collaborative open
source effort that will enable smartphone users industry-wide to push
beyond the millions of mobile-friendly pages currently on the web and begin
to experience full web browsing of the estimated 25 billion pages on the
Internet today."
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Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code Posted May 24, 2006 15:12 UTC (Wed) by cventers (subscriber, #31465) [Link] It's great to see more devices using the KHTML/WebCore family... sincethey're the only renderers that seem to pass ACID2, it is good news indeed.
Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code Posted May 24, 2006 18:09 UTC (Wed) by niner (subscriber, #26151) [Link] You know, ACID2 is not everything. ACID2 got famous because it's a nice picture and tests some pretty obscure things, so all browsers failed.
In normal webdeveloper practice KHTML is a very nice engine. But it still lacks compared to Gecko. For example, it's not possible to add new stylesheet rules with JavaScript. And a bug I discovered a few weeks ago and was fixed a week later in the svn version:
Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code Posted May 24, 2006 16:27 UTC (Wed) by aseigo (guest, #18394) [Link] watching the growth of the "khtml family" to include not just KDE but alsoApple and Nokia (and supposedly there are others, as well) is very exciting for standards based computing. these are the things that help ensure true standards compliancy; if we have a couple of open source, standards-compliant browsers that together eventually take the majority of the browsing market (not just desktop, but all browsing) that will be huge. and i think it is happening.
for projects such as OLPC this is a great boon, too, as they can choose
Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code Posted May 24, 2006 17:07 UTC (Wed) by landley (guest, #6789) [Link] Now if I could just get a version of Konqueror I could run without KDEinstalled (something that works under xfce2, for example). It's been ported to many places, but non-KDE Linux doesn't seem to be one fo them...
Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code Posted May 24, 2006 17:10 UTC (Wed) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] What's the point? Konqueror uses almost all the core KDE services because it *needs* them. If you wanted a standalone konqueror, you'd have to provide your own implementations of at least KHTML, KIO, DCOP/D-BUS, KParts... in effect you'd have to reimplement kdelibs and a fairly large part of kdebase. It's easier just to, well, install kdelibs and kdebase (the only two mandatory KDE packages anyway). It's not as if they use more than a tiny amount of a modern machine's disk space.
Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code Posted May 25, 2006 10:07 UTC (Thu) by LintuxCx (subscriber, #14448) [Link] Why doesn't it need them on OS X then?
And BTW, is this really the same WebKit as used by Apple's Safari? I can't imagine it is, unless they somehow managed to relicense KHTML to BSD instead of GPL?
Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code Posted May 25, 2006 18:55 UTC (Thu) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] Because Konqueror doesn't run on OS X: another browser using KHTML (*just one* of the components used by Konqueror) does.
Try navigating to e.g. ssh://localhost/, or opening a terminal, or using some KPart or other. Oops, you can't, because it's not using the KDE services that give access to such things. (Actually, some of these things may be possible, but if so, they're using native MacOS X stuff, instead.)
Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code Posted May 25, 2006 12:23 UTC (Thu) by thebluesgnr (guest, #37963) [Link] Well, that's exactly the point. Firefox, for example, depends on GTK+ but not gnome-vfs, dbus, ORBit, bonobo, etc (better GNOME integration can be provided by a separate package though, firefox-gnome-support on Debian). Loading Konqueror on a non-KDE environment loads the entire KDE platform. Hard disk space is not a problem, but memory is.It would at least increase the market share of KHTML-based browsers a little bit.
It would be nice to have a web browser based on KHTML that didn't have all these requirements.
Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code Posted May 25, 2006 13:28 UTC (Thu) by tzafrir (subscriber, #11501) [Link] Examples from the Gecko side:
http://swik.net/web-browser+gecko
Strangely enough, Skipstone and Kazehakase haven't progressed very well.
It sseems that you just can't unbloat Gecko...
Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code Posted May 25, 2006 18:58 UTC (Thu) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] Tricky. KHTML itself uses KIO, KParts, and many other core KDE libraries. (Gecko doesn't use GNOME because it isn't part of GNOME; as a consequence it reinvents the wheel to an appalling degree, and often makes them square, e.g. the horror which is XPCOM.)
Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code Posted May 24, 2006 17:11 UTC (Wed) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] Oh, and Konqueror certainly doesn't care what window manager you're running. I use fvwm2, and at one point I used fvwm2 and *no* KDE session manager or kicker (KDE panel); Konqueror worked anyway.
Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code Posted May 24, 2006 18:36 UTC (Wed) by mrshiny (subscriber, #4266) [Link] Heck, I run cygwin on my Windows box (at work), and ssh to my home machine and start konqueror from the command line, to test our website. No KDE, no session, no taskbar, only the barest of window managers. Works just fine.
Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code Posted May 24, 2006 19:24 UTC (Wed) by proski (subscriber, #104) [Link] I think you still have KDE installed
Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code Posted May 24, 2006 19:47 UTC (Wed) by busterb (subscriber, #560) [Link] Here is what Ubuntu 6.06 does when you try to install konqueror on aminimal install:
$ sudo apt-get install konqueror
And xfce4:
Sure, it needs some support libraries and programs, but you by no means
Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code Posted May 24, 2006 22:32 UTC (Wed) by Los__D (subscriber, #15263) [Link] Yeah, 26 dependencies of an application, compared to 8 dependencies of an entire desktop (if you only count dependencies that are not a part of it, as you should), now that's almost the same... *cough*
Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code Posted May 25, 2006 2:24 UTC (Thu) by aseigo (guest, #18394) [Link] if you're going to count based on some random criteria, apply it to both.the mesa libs are not kde libs but, well, mesa libs for instance. as are many more in that list. there are actually 9 kde packages in that list.
not that package count is really an accurate metric. one might wish to
and it is a bit odd that kubuntu brings in kdesktop and kicker as well
Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code Posted May 25, 2006 12:31 UTC (Thu) by Los__D (subscriber, #15263) [Link] Still doesn't change that 27 packages are not part of konqueror, and 8 are not part of XFCE, now does it?
I agree very much that this is an apples to oranges comparison, but he were the one who decided to compare the dependency count of a single application to an entire desktop, and succeeded in proving the opposite of what he intended (At least for Ubuntu, can't honestly day that I know the real dependencies for Konqueror, I just noticed this very big flaw in his comparison).
Nokia releases 'Web Browser for S60' code Posted May 25, 2006 15:17 UTC (Thu) by Los__D (subscriber, #15263) [Link] That would be "...can't honestly say that I..." :)
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