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The real solutionThe real solutionPosted May 24, 2006 6:35 UTC (Wed) by h2 (guest, #27965)In reply to: The real solution by eru Parent article: Kororaa and the GPL - Update 1
There's a certain irony to the fact that in order to use a gpl graphics driver you are forced into buying a board/processor from half of the famed 'wintel' cartel. Not to mention that amds are just ahead of the game at this point.
It would be great to see the intel chips be put on a card though, pci-e, if it was reasonably cheap I'd happily dump my nvidia and go full free gpl, anyone who underestimates the danger of using proprietary drivers to view your monitor with everything else gpl'ed or free software is making a mistake.
I've been following the debate on this around the web this week especially, and it makes no sense, how can you think that using gpl stuff like linux is great and then at the same time support binary only drivers like nvidia/ati?
Unfortunately there's not a lot that can be done at this point short of buying intel boards and cpus, but I'm not willing to do that. Here's hoping that someone at intel decides to make a straight video/graphics card based on open drivers.
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The real solution Posted May 24, 2006 8:20 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link] What I put together just recently.
motherboard:
Then I used a huge Scythe tower-style heatsink to keep that cpu cool without making noise. And as a bonus it supports the VT extensions for when I want to muck around with Xen on it.
I realy wanted to get a AMD machine, but the fact that Via motherboards are getting old and Via hasn't released much new lately their stuff is getting dated. All that is realy aviable is ATI or Nvidia motherboards and I realy realy realy have NO desire to own another nvidia motherboard (which I quickly sold to a windows-using friend as soon as I got it), and I expect that the ATI stuff is even worse. I'd realy like to have a nice Tyan motherboard (which have excelent linux support) but it's outside what I can afford for a personal computer.
So that was a huge turn off for me.
So I think for a budget workstation this intel stuff is great. Everything worked out of the box with Debian Unstable. Debian stable installer didn't have drivers for the network stuff.
Sound worked. Network worked. Video works. Sata works (with SMART support with unstable kernel!) No binary-only drivers. No screwing around. Even sensors worked great with only having to run the sensors detect script. No sign of flakiness.
I don't like a lot what Intel does. Their firmware licensing for the wifi stuff is irritating to be sure, for example.
Intel-based motherboards just realy have a very high compatability with Linux, from my experiance. I am quite happy about it despite the second-class cpu. (which itself, being dual core, is so responsive and fast as to be almost too much for a Linux desktop)
Get around a 10msec latency with jack my Audiophile 24/96 audio card with the stock kernel and no xruns. I haven't tried a low-latency kernel yet, but I can't imagine.
ATI motherboards Posted May 24, 2006 14:34 UTC (Wed) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link] I expect that the ATI stuff is even worse.Yes, ATI motherboards are horrible. I bought an AOpen XC cube with an ATI motherboard, as it was the only silent barebones which supported amd64 processors at the time, and it has taken me a full year to be able to use a Debian derivative on it (Ubuntu Dapper beta 2). Problems with the chipset, sound, network, graphics card...
The real solution Posted May 24, 2006 14:01 UTC (Wed) by eru (subscriber, #2753) [Link] There's a certain irony to the fact that in order to use a gpl graphics driver you are forced into buying a board/processor from half of the famed 'wintel' cartel.Yes, and in some other matters Intel seems to be part of the problem, as seen here: The most uncooperative company is Intel, which has started a sham "open source" BIOS project. The software consists of all the unimportant parts of of a BIOS, without the hard parts. It won't run, and doesn't bring us any closer to a BIOS that does run. It is just a distraction. By contrast, AMD has been cooperating by releasing major chunks of their BIOS source code and making their technical experts available. (Quote from from http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/free-bios.html). So who should I boycot? Wouldn't it be lovely if there were a hardware company that just concentrated on making the best hardware possible and helping developers to write the best possible drivers for it, not just the big companies...
The real solution Posted May 26, 2006 3:09 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link] You need to choose your fights.
Decent Free video drivers on a decent video card is much more important for a Free Desktop then a a Free BIOS.
Also motherboards supporting bios replacements (generally Tyan type things) are pretty much unaffordable. The ability to use a Free BIOS replacement is technically only a boon for people doing things like clustering or need instant-boot-up. The video drivers are more important and Intel helps with them with documentation and such.
As far as open source drivers go, Intel is pretty decent.
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