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Money trouble at OpenBSDMoney trouble at OpenBSDPosted Mar 23, 2006 12:48 UTC (Thu) by NAR (subscriber, #1313)Parent article: Money trouble at OpenBSD Certainly some way could be found to keep OpenSSH going if OpenBSD were to come to an end. Or rather break the monoculture and develop alternative solutions?
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Monoculture? Posted Mar 23, 2006 15:05 UTC (Thu) by GreyWizard (subscriber, #1026) [Link] Perhaps some alternatives already exist.
Monoculture? Posted Mar 23, 2006 21:28 UTC (Thu) by nlee (guest, #730) [Link] I guess its a guess of trust. Theo might be an ass at times, but everyone trusts him to make sure any problem is solved before it might even seen as an issue.
Trust at a level that big firms can understand.
Ssh is one of the single most important tools on the internet to allow sysadmins to sleep at night. Alternatives exist, but they don't have the same level of trust.
In so far as that is true, a good monoculture is better than being forced to either pay for something you are unsure about or very be quite certain things are even close to 100%.
Monoculture? Posted Mar 24, 2006 0:50 UTC (Fri) by finster (guest, #32338) [Link] It would seem that many of us are very happy to trust OpenSSH and use it every day. As mentioned, it lets many a sysadmin sleep at night. Theo's lack of tact is easy to verify, but I figure my dollars go into supporting OpenBSD/OpenSSH. Maybe I should give my head a shake. As for Theo's statements the raise the ire of many, I choose to ignore them.
Monoculture? Posted Mar 24, 2006 1:23 UTC (Fri) by bk (guest, #25617) [Link] Perhaps I'm more thick-skinned than most (or more dense) but I've never interpreted Theo's comments as personal insults. I don't think he's ever written anything like "Linus Torvalds is an idiot and all Linux users are giant poopyheads", he states what are basically technical opinions in admittedly blunt (sometimes coarse) language.
I consider that to be honesty. Obviously he's no diplomat, but calling him an "ass" might be an overstatement. Of course I've never met him in person; perhaps he does come off that way face to face.
He is Posted Mar 24, 2006 7:50 UTC (Fri) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link] Hate to play Jimmy the Cricket, but remember this if you must. "Linux people do what they do because they hate Microsoft"?
Monoculture? Posted Mar 25, 2006 4:38 UTC (Sat) by allesfresser (subscriber, #216) [Link] As for personal insults, the cartoon I referred to was one of a Richard Stallman look-alike with gnu horns, acting as the Wizard of Oz, with flies buzzing around. It was the flies buzzing around that really made me angry--if you don't agree with Richard's words or actions then hey, go right ahead and say your piece, but there's no reason to make childish snipes like that.
Monoculture, not trust Posted Mar 24, 2006 16:00 UTC (Fri) by GreyWizard (subscriber, #1026) [Link] Monoculture, not trust, was the issue raised by the comment to which I first replied. Even those who find the character of the OpenSSH maintainers unassailable might wish for competing implementations because this facilitates experimentation and limits the damage a mistake in one implementation can do. I was pointing out that we already have alternatives, not recommending one over another.
Monoculture? Posted Mar 24, 2006 15:12 UTC (Fri) by landley (subscriber, #6789) [Link] Actually, I've used Dropbear instead of OpenSSH for years now. It's a fully functional replacement for both client and server, with no external dependencies. (Doesn't use openssl.)
Monoculture? Posted Jun 22, 2006 17:45 UTC (Thu) by gvy (guest, #11981) [Link] It has had issues too.
Money trouble at OpenBSD Posted Mar 23, 2006 17:03 UTC (Thu) by clump (subscriber, #27801) [Link] Or rather break the monoculture and develop alternative solutions?I think you have a great point. I'm sure just about all of us make use of OpenSSH, but it's not so great to have a single point of failure.
Monoculture already broken Posted Mar 23, 2006 17:41 UTC (Thu) by jmorris42 (subscriber, #2203) [Link] PUTTY has been ported. It runs and runs well so that goes some way to solving the client side. Being a gtk app means it isn't a total solution though, a character app using a xterm (gnometerm, kde terminal, rxvt, etc) is my preferred solution.
We would still need a different server component. Dropbear isn't quite enterprise ready after all.
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