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No future in proprietary software (ZDNet)

No future in proprietary software (ZDNet)

Posted Dec 4, 2002 20:53 UTC (Wed) by rknop (guest, #66)
In reply to: No future in proprietary software (ZDNet) by dbreakey
Parent article: No future in proprietary software (ZDNet)

I suspect that the problem is that Stallman is an idealist, not a realist.

I agree might even agree that there is no need for proprietary software. If we shut down Microsoft and loot its bank accounts, we could pay for all the free software we need for a century, and *most* of the world would probably be happier. Unfortunately, those that wouldn't be happier are the people who are currently rich, and hence have a lot of influence over deciding what is "needed".

When RMS says we don't need proprietary software, he's thinking in terms of what software does for society and what good society can do and how it can benefit, educate, illuminate, and entertain the world. However, most people don't think that way. They think how they can make money. Who cares if they already have all the money to fund everything that needs to be done for the forseeable future? If they can make more, they want to do it. It's natural. I'm not immune from this myself (although I'm not in the state of having all I need to fund everythign I need to do!). The people at Microsoft, and many other places, depende on proprietary software for their lucrative incomes. Sure, most of them could find a good living in the "free software" world, but they've *got* it made now, so why would they give that up?

I'd point elsewhere. The world does not need pharmaceutical patents. Oh, many will argue against me, but we could fund all the research that we fund right now via avenues other than making pharmaceutical companies rich. And pharmaceutical patents do an awful lot of harm; they inflate drug prices tremendously, which leads to mass deaths in poor countries, and which may eventually cost the government *more* than it would have to pay to fund the research directly once the baby boomer lobby makes a medicare drug benefit a political necessity, etc. I would say that pharmaceutical patents do a lot of harm, and there are other ways to accomplish what good they do. So we don't need them, and indeed, we need not to have them! But.... pharmaceutial companies are rich, and have a lot of power, and indeed bolster everybody's mutual fund and hence the economy. Thus, politically, our leaders need the pharmaceutical companies, and therefore need drug patents, and therefore we're going to have them even though when you look at the world as a whole and the net effect on humnanity, drug patents are terrible things.

Proprietary software is similar. Humanity doesn't need it, or at least so RMS would argue. But some have found it extremely convenient. Thus, for the forseeable future, we will have it-- just as we will have drug patents for the forseeable future.

-Rob


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Interpreting Stallman

Posted Dec 4, 2002 23:37 UTC (Wed) by josh_stern (guest, #4868) [Link]

Stallman is smart and reasonably practical. His pronouncements seem
puzzling primarily because his ethical position is unusual and hard to
grasp even after he explains it. Consider an analogy between his view of
proprietary software and the view that many people have of prostitution.
Critics of prostitution argue that it damages society at large and the
individuals that participate in it. These critics would exhort others
to shun prostitution, whether or not it was illegal. Similarly,
Stallman feels that proprietary software is damaging to society at large
and should be shunned. In articles like the given link, he is saying
that the evil of proprietary software could be avoided without seriously
harming the amount of work that gets done by society. So really, there
are two different classes of disagreement with him - Class I: not
agreeing that proprietary software is evil in the way or to the extent
that he claims, and Class II: not agreeing that free software can be
economically substituted in all or most all cases (e.g. because of the
extra overhead involved in other ways of collecting funds to pay
programmers or other ways of protecting trade secrets embedded in the
code).

No future in proprietary software (ZDNet)

Posted Dec 5, 2002 1:01 UTC (Thu) by rkpagadala (guest, #6588) [Link]

Thanks Rob for your comments.

For me there are two questions.
1) Is proprietary software the "most efficient" from the standpoint of society as a whole?
I think not. However it will continue to exist and I am indifferent to its existence.

2)What should/can I do about it?
Try and not use proprietary software as far as possible. Everyone one of us has a different threshold when we decide "to be practical" and use proprietary software, the threshold point has to be decided by every individual for themselves.
Stallman says that he would not use any proprietary software ever, thats his choice, and the threshold for him is sky high :)
As for me I try to avoid it as much as possible.
Thanks
Krishna

No future in proprietary software (ZDNet)

Posted Dec 5, 2002 4:52 UTC (Thu) by torsten (guest, #4137) [Link]

RMS is a realist. He used to work contract developing proprietary software, in order to support developing free software. He also uses proprietary software, when needed to develop free software.

I think what he fails to accept the attitude he must have, and the things he must do, to amass billions of dollars of wealth. The business credo, "Negocios son negocios," is both highly destructive, uniquely motivating, and categorically leads to poor social behavior.

No future in proprietary software (ZDNet)

Posted Dec 5, 2002 15:59 UTC (Thu) by kreutzm (subscriber, #4700) [Link]

Where did you get this information from ? AFAIK he never worked on proprietary software nor does he use it.

No future in proprietary software (ZDNet)

Posted Dec 12, 2002 16:24 UTC (Thu) by dbreakey (guest, #1381) [Link]

Check here. While it doesn't actually say he worked on proprietary software, he did, as far as I know, work on closed-source, in-house software while at MIT. It was, reportedly, his experiences there and his observations on the lack of unencumbered software at the time that led him to start what is now, and may have always been, the GNU project.

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