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Posted Feb 10, 2006 22:39 UTC (Fri) by BrucePerens (guest, #2510)
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Parent article: Is ODF an Open Standard? ~ by David A. Wheeler (Groklaw)

Well, yes, but the real use of the article is that you can establish what isn't an Open Standard using the sources he gives (OK, one of them is me) and his discussion of them.

Bruce


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Posted Feb 10, 2006 23:19 UTC (Fri) by tomsi (subscriber, #2306) [Link]

I liked his approach. He begins with a few definitions and builds on that. I could not find any issues with it.

I can see why Microsoft isn't happy, as they weren't in the loop...

Groklaw had a comparison between the Microsoft XML format and the Open Document Format, and it shows that Microsoft don't want an open format.

Tom

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Posted Feb 11, 2006 0:10 UTC (Sat) by allesfresser (subscriber, #216) [Link]

>I can see why Microsoft isn't happy, as they weren't in the loop...

If they weren't in the loop, it's because they kept themselves out of it. Note this quote from the article:

"The 'open meeting' requirement that 'all may participate in the standards development' is a little more interesting, but it seems to be met, too:

* Note that this does not mean that everyone has to participate -- sometimes organizations who should participate don’t do so. In 2004, Europe formally asked in very strong language that Microsoft participate in OpenDocument development; while it was an observer on the technical committee for a long while, and is part of OASIS, Microsoft never chose to become actively involved with this standard. The definition doesn’t require that all parties get involved, merely that they are given the opportunity."

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Posted Feb 11, 2006 0:28 UTC (Sat) by tomsi (subscriber, #2306) [Link]

You are "dead on":

"sometimes organizations who should participate don’t do so."

"he definition doesn’t require that all parties get involved, merely that they are given the opportunity."

I think Microsfot don't wan't to paticipate, because they know that they lose. It's not their ball anymore, so they can't dictate the game.

Just my two cents...

Tom

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