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That's not the only meaning of that statementThat's not the only meaning of that statementPosted Feb 1, 2006 12:15 UTC (Wed) by smitty_one_each (subscriber, #28989)In reply to: That's not the only meaning of that statement by Ross Parent article: Van Jacobson's network channels
I think parent's point was about a living user doing a cold boot with a live CD, and then comitting mischief, not about an existing application you're running somehow warm booting and doing that.
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That's not the only meaning of that statement Posted Feb 1, 2006 13:54 UTC (Wed) by Ross (subscriber, #4065) [Link] Yes and my point what is equivalent with physical security is not the totality of the problem. Of course if someone has physical access to your network they can any packets they like on it. But unpriviledged processes running on your server don't have physical access, but in the same scenario they would have the same level of access.
That's not the only meaning of that statement Posted Feb 2, 2006 4:05 UTC (Thu) by elanthis (guest, #6227) [Link] And my point remains... what is that unprivileged process going to do that you couldn't do by plugging in a laptop or some other device onto the network?
If you are implicitly trusting every packet sent by some 'trusted' host (which, if it were truly trusted, would never be running any malicious code anyhow), or trusting anything running on port 1024 down, you're not running a very secure network at all.
There is no security at the IP level at all. If you want trust and security, you have to put it all in higher layers.
That's not the only meaning of that statement Posted Feb 2, 2006 5:28 UTC (Thu) by Ross (subscriber, #4065) [Link] If you're only point is that security shouldn't depend on the network not being compromised I agree. However malicious users with unfettered physical access are not at all equivalent to malicious processes running under unpriviledged ids and that anything which makes them equivalent is decreasing security. Does it matter for well designed programs? No. But unfortunately tons of commonly used software is not well designed. If you can't trust IPs, port numbers, etc. many things break down. If you can't trust a program a user downloaded you should worry, but your network is not automatically compromised unless there is something which can be exploited on the system.
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