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Linux VServer Project is doing just fine nowLinux VServer Project is doing just fine nowPosted Dec 6, 2005 7:26 UTC (Tue) by gvy (guest, #11981)In reply to: Linux VServer Project has done this for years by kolyshkin Parent article: The first stable OpenVZ release
Hm, Kirill, did you compare OVZ and VS1.x or 2.x?
From what I've heard, 2.x is quite capable regarding resource management and provisioning, seems like it quite stacks against Solaris 10 containers.
And it's quite actively forward-ported, I see 2.6.12.4-vs2.0 patch on their site right now. It's critical given such a security bug-ridden kernel as 2.6.x presently is, AFAIR there were at least one local kernel since 2.6.8 (maybe I'm still sleepy though).
Maybe it's worth bothering SWsoft's mgmt regarding some kind of "merger" proposal? I somehow can't deny the thought that the whole OpenVZ thing is some kind of move on their part (perhaps motivated by you, goldhead and friends?) feeling that proprietary technology just loses its relevance here, facing VServer, Xen, and OTOH VMware and maybe even to some degree qemu.
Good luck on doing good things, anyways. Privet vsem :)
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Linux VServer Project is doing just fine now Posted Dec 6, 2005 8:33 UTC (Tue) by kolyshkin (subscriber, #34342) [Link] did you compare OVZ and VS1.x or 2.x?We compared with 2.0. VServer mostly uses ulimit, which can handle some cases (e.g. limit the number of processes), but is quite far from what is needed (and what UBC can do). It's critical given such a security bug-ridden kernel as 2.6.x presently is, AFAIR there were at least one local kernel since 2.6.8 (maybe I'm still sleepy though).As I explained above, we do care of security; among the other things, we backport all the relevant security fixes. Say, in 022stab050 release (see changelog) I can count at least couple of security fixed from mainstream (as well a couple of our own ones). Also, Solar Designer is currently performing an extensive security audit for OpenVZ. Maybe it's worth bothering SWsoft's mgmt regarding some kind of "merger" proposal? We were talking about it with Herbert (and generally I think we have good relationship with VServer project). Looks like although the ideas behind OpenVZ and Linux-VServer are similar, the implementation details differs a lot, that makes merge practically impossible. Good luck on doing good things, anyways. Thanks! ;)
Linux VServer Project is doing just fine now Posted Dec 8, 2005 20:30 UTC (Thu) by gvy (guest, #11981) [Link] > Also, Solar Designer is currently performing an extensive security audit for OpenVZ.Sounds interesting. (is it going to get 2.6-ow before usual .20?.. :)
Linux VServer Project is doing just fine now Posted Dec 6, 2005 15:59 UTC (Tue) by micah (subscriber, #20908) [Link] Linux-vserver's 2.6.12.4-vs2.0 is the most recent stable release, there are patches available for 2.6.13 and 2.6.14, but they are not "blessed" as stable (although they contain bugfixes, and are very likely *stable*).
From the mailing list on the subject of the differences:
(will use Z for OpenVZ and S for Linux-VServer)
>> Factors of interest are
Z: the announcement reads "first stable OVZ version"
>> - Debian support,
Z: afaik they are redhat oriented (and recently
Z: no idea
>> - documentation and
Z: no idea
>> - community support,
Z: irc channel and forum/bug tracker
>> - security.
guess both projects are trying to keep high security
OpenVZ is doing fine as well ;) Posted Dec 6, 2005 19:00 UTC (Tue) by kolyshkin (subscriber, #34342) [Link] Let me comment on these claims.
- stability, Although this is indeed the first stable OpenVZ release, OpenVZ is essentially Virtuozzo (without its bells and whistles), and Virtuozzo for Linux is available for more than five years already.
- Debian support, Certainly you can compile OpenVZ from sources and use it on any Linux distro. And yes, we are a part of Gentoo for about two months already (with all the recent releases making their way into Gentoo in a very timely fashion). Debian is one of our goals (see roadmap), although personally I am not a Debian expert, still with some help from the Debian community we will make it. - hardware utilization, We are supporting x86 (i386), x86_64 (AMD64, EM64T) and ia64 platforms. "Supporting" here means we have enough hardware for all the three platforms, and do an extensive quality testing (functionality, performance and stress tests) and security audit on all of them. It's a pity but we can not provide the same level of support for other platforms than those three. Speaking of specific hardware, we are supporting the same set of hardware that RHEL4 does, achieving this by backporting newer drivers from mainstream, vendors and RHEL4 kernels. There is an official Virtuozzo/OpenVZ HCL. - documentation and We have an extensive 100-pages user's guide. Also all utilities has man pages, and there are some short to-the-point howtos on the site and the forum. - community support, There is a bug tracking (Bugzilla) and quite an active support forums, also we have mailing lists and IRC channel (#openvz at freenode). We also provide fee-based support for OpenVZ, done by the same excellent team who supports Virtuozzo. - security. I can definitely say our security is higher than that of vanilla kernel. We achieve that by two means: (1) sticking to older kernel and backporting all the fixes from mainstream and (2) hiring top-rated security specialists to do OpenVZ security audit.
OpenVZ is doing fine as well ;) Posted Dec 7, 2005 12:47 UTC (Wed) by nnnn (guest, #34393) [Link]
Are you saying that when these "top-notch security people" find new
That would be the only way for your offering to be more secure
OpenVZ is doing fine as well ;) Posted Dec 7, 2005 14:37 UTC (Wed) by kolyshkin (subscriber, #34342) [Link] First of all, we do always send fixes we have upstream, and external people who do security audit for us are also sending their relevant findings upstream.
Second, as I have already tried to explain by my first comment here, our security can indeed be better than that of vanilla kernel. We achieve this by sticking to older (=more stable) kernel and backporting all the relevant fixes from vanilla and RHEL kernels (currently there are about 200 such patches, not counting driver updates).
So, we fix bugs and security holes, but do not introduce any new ones, that _might_ be coming with newer kernels. This is essentially the same model used by Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
OpenVZ is doing fine as well ;) Posted Dec 16, 2005 18:02 UTC (Fri) by dev (guest, #34359) [Link] No, we are not hiding security fixes and participate in security@kernel.org.But as you can see both OpenVZ and vserver add additional layer inside the kernel and to some extent actually introduce a new security model. And this security model should be review/checked/thinked over. For example, when you have a kernel bug which allows 'root' user to crash your node it is usually ok, since root is a priviledges and trusted user. In OpenVZ/vserver model root is untrusted user. See the difference? Just an example...
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