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Posted Nov 27, 2005 13:21 UTC (Sun) by rmstar (guest, #3672)
In reply to: no shock indeed by man_ls
Parent article: Microsoft, the "Vienna Conclusions," and the UN World Summit (Heise Online)

Actually, this is what you get when idealistic people have to deal with
shrewd, very experienced politicians/lobyists. They have a bag of tricks
this long, and are absolutely cold-bloded when it comes to applying them.
Hey, it's their job, and they do it well. I bet what they did here is
known as a long established technique with a name involving "classic".

So what happened here was that the folks on our side were simply
unexperienced and were ****ed like nobody's business. While they were
trying to convince people with arguments, the others were just
maneuvering.

Incidentally, this is the same reason why free trade agreements between
1st and 3rd world countries always turn foul for the latter. The
agreements are great in principle, and would probably work. But then when
the details are negotiated, novice negotiators, or even experienced
negotiators meet world class M.F. who do not think they've achieved
anything if they haven't screwed you thrice over.

That said, it is a very sad state of affairs. And everybody is right being
angry at them and this outcome. I am.

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Posted Nov 27, 2005 19:25 UTC (Sun) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link]

" So what happened here was that the folks on our side were simply
unexperienced and were ****ed like nobody's business "

Ive read from a lot of places, and in different contexts, that when in
politics something happens, it dosent happen by chance, but it was
planned...

"Our" side where already ****ed, even before they got there.

There is a terrorist(guerrila) world wide war on OSS, giving all
indications that the worst terrorists arent in some cave in some desert
mountain, but sit at confortable offices, elected by "us", and empowered
by "us".

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Posted Nov 27, 2005 21:29 UTC (Sun) by gvy (guest, #11981) [Link]

well, that's Christian America. sad to see they've sold Him too, even if not for Ag$30.

(if you're going to get overly sad, come here to Russia or Ukraine: even if say Youshchenko turned out to be exactly the kind of bastards you describe ...heck, I voted for him too and now he's been asking his friend Gates for an advice on whom to approve as a minister of what-considers-IT-too here... -- there *are* still people here who actually *are* worth talking with and who just don't do this sort of screwer's business)