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Free Standards Group launches Linux Standard Base Desktop Project (NewsForge)
NewsForge covers
the formation of the Free Standards Group LSB Desktop Project. "Jim
Zemlin, executive director of the FSG, said that the Desktop specification
would be an "incremental component on top of the LSB Core." The LSB Core
specification covers standard system libraries, the Filesystem Hierarchy
Standard (FHS), the executable format, standard commands and utilities, and
other components that would be found in a standard Linux system."
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Free Standards Group launches Linux Standard Base Desktop Project (NewsForge) Posted Oct 19, 2005 0:38 UTC (Wed) by darthmdh (guest, #8032) [Link] Great, this is all we need.
First, there's the Red Hat Linux Standard Base, dictating that the standard Linux is Red Hat and their crappy tools. Now, we get the Red Hat Linux Standard Base Desktop Project, where I bet they dictate we all must run GNOME and Metacity to be compatible with the standard.
They're expending so much time, money and energy into defeating the purpose of having X11, and indeed an open source operating system, in the first place - that the end user be free to choose whatever works best for them. Not that some greedy corporation dictate to them what they must have - particularly when its their own inferior pieces of crud.
These so-called standards amount to nothing more than political and marketing moves by Red Hat to try to remain relevant after their competitors have left them far behind.
Everyone knows what the real standard Linux is - Debian. We don't need media articles promoting deviating from this standard.
Free Standards Group launches Linux Standard Base Desktop Project (NewsForge) Posted Oct 19, 2005 1:35 UTC (Wed) by rm6990 (guest, #30921) [Link] Participating in the project are Adobe, Intel, IBM, Novell, Red Hat, Linspire, Trolltech, and several other companies and organizations.
Free Standards Group launches Linux Standard Base Desktop Project (NewsForge) Posted Oct 19, 2005 1:53 UTC (Wed) by smitty_one_each (subscriber, #28989) [Link] >They're expending so much time, money and energy into defeating the purpose >of having X11, and indeed an open source operating system, in the first >place - that the end user be free to choose whatever works best for them. >Not that some greedy corporation dictate to them what they must have - >particularly when its their own inferior pieces of crud.
Hm. I gather that you may not have tried to manage a significant amount of users running a business intent on turning a profit.
Free Standards Group launches Linux Standard Base Desktop Project (NewsForge) Posted Oct 19, 2005 2:39 UTC (Wed) by dlang (subscriber, #313) [Link] the 'user' in your example would be the company, not the individual.
please give an example (any example) where the LSB has actually helped, so far I haven't found a single company that will certify their product to run on the LSB instead of listing individual distros (and this is justified by the fact that if their tech support gets a call from a user, they had better be able to walk through the individual distro to find the problem, saying that it works on X LSB distro doesn't help solve the problem, so they need to have copies of every distro they support running (or runnable) somewhere, they can't afford to be blindsided by some new distro)
Free Standards Group launches Linux Standard Base Desktop Project (NewsForge) Posted Oct 20, 2005 2:16 UTC (Thu) by darthmdh (guest, #8032) [Link] I gather that you're attempting to equate bland, one-size-will-fit-all working environments with lower support costs and somehow tie this with profit.
In just two weeks of providing support for ~1500 users running Microsoft Windows, I had more support calls than I ever recieved in the three years I co-developed WindowMaker; to the point where we had to draw the line in the sand with the organisation between what fell under 'free support' for the job we did, and what was billable for T&M because it was out of scope.
The bland, across the board, everyone-wears-size-six-shoes desktop environment that people mistakenly believe means lower support costs actually cost far more in support than something that was both far more flexible in how it could be built and configured, and cross-platform to boot.
A business that is intent on making a profit will focus their efforts on their core business requirements, and will provide their employees with what they need to accomplish those goals to the required levels of quality, punctuality and budget.
If you hand a construction worker a garden fork and tell him to excavate a city block, he's not going to be as productive as if you gave him the keys to the Cat 385CL. Similarly, you give an IT worker tools that they find frustrating, inflexible, and inadequate and they will likewise be far less productive. Lower productivity results in things like low job satisfaction (and then higher turnover of employees, knowledge loss, etc), low quality, higher costs, failing to meet deadlines, etc.
If people wanted bland, boring, inflexible desktop environments, they can already get them from many places. Trying to ramroad this mentality into some kind of standard for open source operating systems means we lose another major benefit we have over those other environments - that we already solve the problem that one size doesn't fit all.
Goal: "80% library coverage for 80% of desktop apps by end of '06" Posted Oct 19, 2005 5:53 UTC (Wed) by dank (guest, #1865) [Link] See http://www.linuxbase.org/LSBWiki/DesktopWG
Their explicit goal is:
"Provide at least 80% library coverage for at least 80% of D/T applications by the end of ’06 "
The ones they're pretty sure they're including in the December 2005 are:
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