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Rx for Linux: Part 1 - Measurements and Markets (ZDNet)

ZDNet's Paul Murphy is at it again: this column asserts that Linux has lost its momentum. But he has a recipe for getting it back... "So what's the the most important lesson we can learn from Microsoft? that nothing sells like success. Start counting installs and making those numbers widely available, and pretty soon what's recently become largely a stealth phenomenon could start to snowball again." Who knew it was so simple?
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Rx for Linux: Part 1 - Measurements and Markets (ZDNet)

Posted Oct 17, 2005 14:50 UTC (Mon) by warthawg (guest, #3055) [Link]

This is one of Microsoft's most important memes of the moment. That's why they paid Info-Tech for that atrocious analysis suggesting business is no longer interested in Linux. Now a favorite lapdog sits up and asks us to accept the same hypothesis. The story is exactly as believable as Microsoft.

Rx for Linux: Part 1 - Measurements and Markets (ZDNet)

Posted Oct 17, 2005 14:54 UTC (Mon) by kirkengaard (subscriber, #15022) [Link]

So *that's* what we've been doing wrong! A lack of propaganda! How silly of us. And we thought we were getting discovered by being better.

How's i18n.counter.li.org?

Rx for Linux: Part 1 - Measurements and Markets (ZDNet)

Posted Oct 17, 2005 15:07 UTC (Mon) by allesfresser (subscriber, #216) [Link]

Yes, just like business has lost interest in using telephones. Nobody makes any press releases about it, so I guess nobody's using that legacy technology anymore...

Rx for Linux: Part 1 - Measurements and Markets (ZDNet)

Posted Oct 17, 2005 16:06 UTC (Mon) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

I hear that electricity is passe, too, and will soon be removed from all truly with-it offices.

Stealth world domination

Posted Oct 18, 2005 9:59 UTC (Tue) by eru (subscriber, #2753) [Link]

I guess people working on large Linux deployments have learned that doing it without public fanfare is easier: help keep MS salesment from going to the superiors with last-minute FUD or special offers.

So don't believe the article. Could be an attempt to derail the stealth world domination strategy...

Yawn!

Posted Oct 17, 2005 15:09 UTC (Mon) by AnswerGuy (subscriber, #1256) [Link]

Another pundit telling us what we all need to "really" be successful. (After concocting his or her own concept of "really" and "successful" which is carefully crafted to revolve around some perceived deficiency or mis-perception).

Wake me up when we have achieved world domination.

JimD

Yawn!

Posted Oct 17, 2005 16:30 UTC (Mon) by ncm (subscriber, #165) [Link]

Yes, this is the annual "to succeed, Linux has to stop doing what made it as successful as it is -- despite all our previous, identical pronouncements. No, Linux won't have Microsoft worried any time soon." (They love that expression "any time soon".)

These pronouncements are coming every three months, lately, instead of annually. They're hitting the elevator button again and again though it's already lit. Somebody should tell Paul the elevator won't be coming to his floor any more.

Rx for Linux: Part 1 - Measurements and Markets (ZDNet)

Posted Oct 17, 2005 15:16 UTC (Mon) by kirkengaard (subscriber, #15022) [Link]

I also love the talkback entry which suggests "a gradual Unix to Linux to Windows migration that will give Microsoft server dominance (in numbers) in the foreseeable future", and his insinuation that all users really want is a cheaper version of Windows products, at which point they'll abandon Unix entirely.

"Anton Philidor" smells more like Astroturf the more I look him up.

See also:
"Microsoft, keeper of the flame that burns always in the human spirit."
http://news.zdnet.com/5208-3513-0.html?forumID=1&thre...

Ah, I thought that was Acid Reflux. I'm so glad that it's really patriotic sentiment stirred up by watching Microsoft fight for my right to remain their customer.

Don't take my word for it, google him with all results yourself. You'll retch.

Rx for Linux: Part 1 - Measurements and Markets (ZDNet)

Posted Oct 17, 2005 16:35 UTC (Mon) by ncm (subscriber, #165) [Link]

Is irony entirely lost on us? This guy's tongue is so deep in his cheek it's cutting off his circulation.

He is no friend of MS. If, in fact, they're paying him, the joke's on them.

Rx for Linux: Part 1 - Measurements and Markets (ZDNet)

Posted Oct 17, 2005 17:19 UTC (Mon) by kirkengaard (subscriber, #15022) [Link]

I will congratulate you on better application of Luther's interpretation of the Eighth Commandment than I used.

"False witness, then, is everything which cannot be properly proved. Therefore, what is not manifest upon sufficient evidence no one shall make public or declare for truth; and in short, whatever is secret should be allowed to remain secret, or, at any rate, should be secretly reproved, as we shall hear. Therefore, if you encounter an idle tongue which betrays and slanders some one, contradict such a one promptly to his face, that he may blush thus many a one will hold his tongue who else would bring some poor man into bad repute from which he would not easily extricate himself. For honor and a good name are easily taken away, but not easily restored."

Thanks.

Rx for Linux: Part 1 - Measurements and Markets (ZDNet)

Posted Oct 17, 2005 15:58 UTC (Mon) by cventers (subscriber, #31465) [Link]

Would ZDNet just go quietly die in a corner? I don't know where the site
as a whole gained some sort of seal of authenticity, but I'm growing very
tired of seeing ZDNet journalists babbling on obnoxiously and then
getting linked on slash and elsewhere every day.

Rx for Linux: Part 1 - Measurements and Markets (ZDNet)

Posted Oct 17, 2005 20:09 UTC (Mon) by mcm (guest, #31917) [Link]

They'll troll on forever as long as they are getting all those pageviews, it seems like posting links on slashdot is the centerpiece of their business strategy --- and who could blame them, those slashbots are drawn to anti-linux articles like moths to a flame.

Rx for Linux: Part 1 - Measurements and Markets (ZDNet)

Posted Oct 17, 2005 20:24 UTC (Mon) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link]

"We"(alow me this presumption) the Linux community cant forget one thing. M$ lying machine wont stop until they are dead. For the majority of users, incluiding many with IT responsabilityies, ignorance of important facts is the norm... so the lying has indeed hampered Linux adoption and can still continue to do it. "we" can easely discard this type of religious misguided *going with the powers* opinions, so good to obtain headlines in mainstream hore press, but in the meanwhile it wont bring more users to Linux.

So contrary to this;

" But it didn't happen and I think, on balance, that the most likely reason is that mainstream puffery has been largely removed from the pre-decision process - meaning that people outside IT have stopped pushing us to review the Linux alternative in "platform" decisions and that Linux growth rates have therefore returned to what they would have been had the mainstream press never discovered it. "

Linux/FOSS is clearly non dependent of hipe as a product. It wasent dependent of sucess as a product to grow from point zero, and it can surely continue that way.

So the *Solution* is that Linux/FOSS *HAS TO BE BETTER IN EVERY DEPARTEMENT* than M$ WindozOSes. It wont stop the lies, but it would make them much more difficult to sell.

Global grand masses adoption is naturaly entrenched arround WindozOSes, and will continue so for a yet long period, because of ignorance, period.
Worldwide users easly change OSes in their Mobile Phones, but wont change desktops as easly because their are confused. They have been massacred into a guilty position about all bad things that happens to their desktops(including BSODs), and instead of blaming a sordid criminal (found guilty on courts of law on many ocasions) entreprise like Microsoft they shoal themselfs like sardines attacked from every position.

2 things, IMO could bring some hipe back into Linux camp:

1)Desktop/graphics: What a wonderfull opportunity is the caming of Xara, with their superior graphics engine for features and specialy *speed*;
http://www.xaraxtreme.org/
http://www.xaraxtreme.org/about/index.html#performance (see the movies)
Meaning SVG icons, *Fonts*, wallpaper, widgets, in almost the same speed as it is with traditional command line consoles!.(What a help for cairo/arthur/glitz this could be!).

2)Linux/FOSS Hardware reference platform: a good opportunity with XEN Safe hardware, since i belive the large majority of desktops, including Linux laptops, will have Xen:
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/papers/2004-oa...
And it wont have to be virtual drivers, since the Xen *kernel* could be replaced and integrated into the main tree, by an equivalent Linux exoKernel, solving in the process most of the real-time design issues also.
All this meaning an even much more safer environment, with possibilities for a full capability system. http://www.skyhunter.com/marcs/capabilityIntro/index.html

Meanwhile i'll try to email the author, trying to change his mind, about http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html ... so maybe he could adopt something like WinLibre for his windoze environment.

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