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On the value of EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPLOn the value of EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPLPosted Oct 7, 2005 9:41 UTC (Fri) by fenrus (guest, #31654)In reply to: On the value of EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL by jschrod Parent article: On the value of EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL
> Luckily, Linus made clear that his opinion on binary-only kernel modules is different from yours.
Linus never said he considered binary only modules allowed. That's an urban myth he himself has defused many times.
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On the value of EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL Posted Oct 7, 2005 9:50 UTC (Fri) by jschrod (subscriber, #1646) [Link] No, you're wrong.Read the thread at http://kerneltrap.org/node/1735
Linus says that one has to look at each kernel module seperately and judge anew if it's a derived work or not.
You told, as far as I understood you, that all binary-only modules are by definition derived works. That is not Linus' opinion, as stated by me and proofed by the lkml thread above.
Joachim
On the value of EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL Posted Oct 8, 2005 1:13 UTC (Sat) by fenrus (guest, #31654) [Link] you missed the point; this part of the thread isn't about derived works; it's about the "ship together" clause in the gpl which has nothing to do with "derived work" but with "being independent".
(and anyway linus didn't say binary modules are allowed, he said the derived work part is a case by case basis)
On the value of EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL Posted Oct 8, 2005 11:57 UTC (Sat) by jschrod (subscriber, #1646) [Link] you missed the point; this part of the thread isn't about derived works; it's about the "ship together" clause in the gpl which has nothing to do with "derived work" but with "being independent".Ah, you mean you never reacted on nchip who wrote ``So it boils back to the "is the binary-only module derived from Linux" argument.'' and you never threatened to sue anybody who distributed a binary-only module because it would be ``a closed-and-shut case.''? Well, go forward, follow-up your strong words and sue Novell. (and anyway linus didn't say binary modules are allowed, he said the derived work part is a case by case basis)Exactly my words. Go back and read my post: I never wrote that Linus allows binary-only modules. I wrote that his opinion differs from yours in so far as distribution of binary-only modules are not a ``closed-and-shut case'' as you wrote. You just agreed to that and make it sound as if it was your opinion in the first place. Go figure, since that's your style of discussion, I'm out now. Joachim
On the value of EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL Posted Oct 8, 2005 12:40 UTC (Sat) by dwmw2 (subscriber, #2063) [Link] Ah, you mean you never reacted on nchip who wrote ``So it boils back to the "is the binary-only module derived from Linux" argument.''Fenrus did respond to this. He made the analogy about glue -- highlighting the difference between two items which are each useful in their own right but which happen to be shipped together coincidentally, and two items which are fundamentally interdependent such that each cannot function without the other. That's basically the difference between a collective work and 'mere aggregation on a volume of a distribution medium', which nchip seemed to have missed. It seems as if nchip was taking 'mere aggregation' to include any kind of combined work, even when the parts are fundamentally interdependent.
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