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Linux Licensing: barriers to developers (ZDNet)Linux Licensing: barriers to developers (ZDNet)Posted Oct 5, 2005 17:45 UTC (Wed) by hazelsct (subscriber, #3659)In reply to: Linux Licensing: barriers to developers (ZDNet) by allesfresser Parent article: Linux Licensing: barriers to developers (ZDNet) <off-topic>Funny thing is, Marx didn't make this up, but got it from the Bible! (Acts 11:29, Acts 2:45.) A tidbit which U.S. conservatives in particular seem eager to overlook.</off-topic>
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Linux Licensing: barriers to developers (ZDNet) Posted Oct 5, 2005 21:28 UTC (Wed) by JamesErik (subscriber, #17417) [Link] I'm in the U.S. and consider myself conservative on many points. I was, in fact, immediately familiar with the second passage you cite. The fact that the small-scale communal environment in the early church failed doesn't make such an arrangement any less ideal (dare I say idyllic), but it clearly points to the impracticality of such an approach for a whole society, which is also borne out by the fall of communism in eastern Europe. If U.S. conservatives overlook Marx's references, it's not because acknowledging them would undermine their position, but rather that those references **and the history surrounding them** don't speak nearly as powerfully as gleeful Berliners perched atop a crumbling wall.
Linux Licensing: barriers to developers (ZDNet) Posted Oct 6, 2005 7:04 UTC (Thu) by Wol (guest, #4433) [Link] Something else which Americans seem to eager to gloss over ...
It was NOT COMMUNISM that failed in Europe. It was Stalinism.
As a whole, Europe is pretty socialist, and pretty successful. While I don't know too much about Communism as preached, it's probably a lot closer to Socialism than it is to Stalinism.
Oh - and the other thing Americans like to forget - small-town America is pretty socialist, too - what else is a barn-raising?
Cheers,
Linux Licensing: barriers to developers (ZDNet) Posted Oct 6, 2005 8:42 UTC (Thu) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] Actually, end-stage no-state Marxism is a long way from any political system currently in use, and anything which has ever been stable for more than a few months.
Linux Licensing: barriers to developers (ZDNet) Posted Oct 7, 2005 1:44 UTC (Fri) by gilb (subscriber, #11728) [Link] Barn raising isn't socialist, it is a voluntary activity. Socialism is forced, you can't opt out. The net result is that it dissuades people from being successful because they aren't rewarded for it.
Calling Europe successful is a bit of a stretch. It isn't a failure, but the double digit unemployment found in Europe would be considered a crisis in the US. Likewise, the economic growth is less than the US. It may not be due to Socialism, but you can hardly use the EC as a shining example of economic prosperity and growth.
Linux Licensing: barriers to developers (ZDNet) Posted Oct 9, 2005 23:01 UTC (Sun) by danielos (guest, #6053) [Link] hi gilb, you surely are from US, and this kind of talk are the most irritant, and most typical from US Citizen about Europe.
Here, in Europe (in the third world), people do not die down in the street, if someone is hill he is medically assisted. Unemployed are assisted on finding a work. There is a lower bound for monthly fee too.
And Europe is not growing as USA or Cina just because here we respect humans being .. or at least I hope we do it. Europeans are an example of the last socialist countries which try to stay with people. (I am not socialist, I use socialist here as a non-U.S.-Person-thought).
This evening for dinner I heat pizza and drink a beer. Tomorrow I will not work because I am not rewarded for it.
You are forced to write stupid sentence with your keyboard, you can't opt out, it is in your nature.
(never heard something like "social culture" there in the far America?)
Linux Licensing: barriers to developers (ZDNet) Posted Oct 7, 2005 15:54 UTC (Fri) by JamesErik (subscriber, #17417) [Link] It seems reasonable to me to characterize Stalinism philosophically as a subset of communism. When you look at 20th century **implementations** of communism, you'd be hard pressed to find non-Stallinist varieties, I believe.
I can't speak to Europe, not having lived there, but I did have the good fortune to live in Chile for a while in the 90s, which has many socialist characteristics such as state-owned industries (esp. mining, copper being their largest export), and state-run medical services. At the same time, it has vibrant free-market dynamics in very many sectors. Yes, taxes might be viewed as high (I know a higher percentage of my paycheck went towards taxes than would have in the US at the time), but neither was the state seizing private assets and forcibly redistributing wealth (tax-is-weath-distribution arguments aside for the moment) as is characterized by communism.
So, I don't think of socialism as evil in the same was as I view communism. Also, as another posted out, a barn-raising is completely a voluntary event, which is actually much more similar to the early church descibed in Acts 2, cited by hazelsct, than it is to socialism as a government-imposed policy.
In summary, I don't think you're being very objective, and likely not very informed, when you assert "Americans seem eager to gloss over" something or that "Americans like to forget" something. I may be wrong, but I doubt you've sampled a significantly large group of Americans to credibly make that claim, although you can certainly find individuls in the U.S. or elsehere who do "gloss over" or "forget" whatever you're concerned about.
Something else which Elbonians seem eager to gloss over is that tomatoes are NOT VEGETABLES. They're fruit. I hear about those darn Elbonians all the time on the news.
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