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RMS: The GNU GPL Is Here to Stay (O'ReillyNet)

RMS: The GNU GPL Is Here to Stay (O'ReillyNet)

Posted Sep 23, 2005 23:28 UTC (Fri) by Duncan (guest, #6647)
In reply to: RMS: The GNU GPL Is Here to Stay (O'ReillyNet) by arcticwolf
Parent article: RMS: The GNU GPL Is Here to Stay (O'ReillyNet)

And what's worse, maybe, is that a clause like this in the GPLv3 might make it incompatible with the GPLv2. IANAL, of course, and neither am I a licensing guru, but... doesn't the GPLv2 say that you may not place additional restrictions on your users when you incorporate GPL'ed code into your project? It wouldn't be a problem with most projects, probably, since most are licensed under the GPLv2 "or any later version", so you could choose to use them under the GPLv3 instead, but it's not true for *all* projects, and some high-profile ones, like the Linux kernel, are licensed under the GPLv2 *only*. It seems to me that it would be impossible to incorporate GPLv2 only-code into a GPLv3 project, if the GPLv3 will indeed contain a clause like this.

As RMS says in the article, code licensed under the GPLv2 ONLY will by definition be incompatible with the GPLv3, no matter what the GPLv3 contains, at least to the extent that if the code is contained within the same files, offset comments would need to be applied (and maintained) stating which code was the exception to the general file license. This is part of the issue with v2 ONLY language and why the suggested language uses the "or any later version" clause. That clause, as you mention, means code can be automatically updated to the GPLv3 without issue, because it's inherent in the license conditions.

Do note that the existing kernel code isn't all GPLv2 in any case. Some code originates from BSD, in which case the original BSD code can be relicensed too GPL3 just as it was relicensed to GPL2 (BSD permits that). Other code was specifically contributed under the "or any later version" clause, while other code has specific language turning over copyrights to Linus, or specifically permitting him to exercise his judgment in terms of license. Thus, it won't all be unconvertible. Actually, much of the code either has known and still active contributors or has the far more direct newer "signed off by" lines, in which case it won't be an issue.

OTOH, the same security blanket that makes it infeasible for the likes of Jeff Merkey (sp?) to offer to buy the kernel, because not all copyright holders could be tracked down, also prevents conversion in this case. Given that about a third of the kernel code has been rewritten since 2.6.0 (estimate based on Andrew's claim earlier that about a quarter had been at that point), with much of that code directly signed off and therefore directly attributable, and the rest fairly easy to retrieve from logs, and the known or easily traceable authors of much of the remaining code, perhaps a quarter would initially be stuck GPLv2 only, if the active kernel coders as a group decided to switch. However, even without direct targeted effort, just rewriting as they came across it, the remaining code would likely be mostly gone in a year, and with a bit of targeting of the harder and more niche code, the rest could be gone, either replaced, or in the case of non-critical code like some of the several file systems, be yanked out entirely if necessary. That's a far cry from immediate, but two years or even three wouldn't be that extreme given the time other projects will be taking to do their own conversion, and the complexity of the kernel.

Still, all that said, I can see a couple other possibilities happening as well. One, the kernel already includes the Linux Kernel GPL Preamble, a legally binding disclaimer specifically stating that the kernel's GPL does NOT apply to userland code. Anything in the GPLv3 that proved disagreeable to a suitable number of active kernel devs could be similarly disclaimed, by section and paragraph, if necessary.

Two, it's possible, tho I wouldn't call it likely at this point, that the GPLv3 will include a "menu" of several optional modules that can be applied by the author as desired, much as the Creative Commons Licenses do, only with a strong central core that they don't have. The core might be very similar to the GPLv2, with optional patent and software-as-a-service clause modules that an author can choose to claim or disclaim as desired. (As noted above, even if this isn't the case with the formal GPLv3, it can always be /made/ the case with exceptions similar to the kernel license preamble already in place.)

Of course, these options do mean rather more license proliferation, but if the modules were formalized, it would at least keep the proliferation to some level of control. If disclaiming is left to the individual cases, the situation could easily become far more complicated, unless the GPLv3 gets the same level of support as the GPLv2 now has or better, not a given by any means!

Duncan


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RMS: The GNU GPL Is Here to Stay (O'ReillyNet)

Posted Sep 26, 2005 1:14 UTC (Mon) by viro (subscriber, #7872) [Link]

"GPL v2 or later" means "I believe that future licenses FSF might
come up with will be compatible with my views". Since I do not
hold such beliefs, I will not agree to relicense my contributions
to such terms. Anybody suggesting such relicensing is welcome to
the answer Mr. Merkey got in response to similar suggestion.

RMS: The GNU GPL Is Here to Stay (O'ReillyNet)

Posted Sep 26, 2005 21:26 UTC (Mon) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

However, if GPLv3 turns up and is agreeable, relicensing under `GPLv2 or v3' might be OK, right?

RMS: The GNU GPL Is Here to Stay (O'ReillyNet)

Posted Sep 26, 2005 23:57 UTC (Mon) by dlang (subscriber, #313) [Link]

yes, however to change from GPLv2 to GPL v2 or v3 may be difficult to do, it requires either a formal agreement from all contributers to a project that some person is allowed to make the decision for the project (which the popfile project has done), or getting the agreement from all contributers to make the change, or replacing all code from contributers who you can't get the agreement from.

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