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GTK+ 2.8.0 releasedGTK+ 2.8.0 releasedPosted Aug 15, 2005 12:06 UTC (Mon) by bojan (subscriber, #14302)In reply to: GTK+ 2.8.0 released by Ross Parent article: GTK+ 2.8.0 released
> Actually, GTK was written for GIMP, before GNOME existed.
As if that matters now. THE most important thing written in GTK is Gnome. Therefore, whatever happens with Gnome affects GTK.
> But I get the picture. There is no room for new (or old in this case) ideas in GNOME. I'm not welcome, and that's just fine.
Hey, if that's what you think the defaults are all about, that's OK. There is no requirement to use GTK or Gnome and as far as I know nobody is forced to used it because it is a "monopoly" like one other platform we know. So, feel free to be not welcome, welcome, not use it or use it.
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GTK+ 2.8.0 released Posted Aug 15, 2005 12:49 UTC (Mon) by Arker (guest, #14205) [Link] And GNOME is supposed to be the GNU Network Object Model Environment.
Explicitly called into being as part of the GNU/OS.
And explicitly hell-bent, to judge from your post (and I'll say now it's not at all clear you can speak for the project here, but the project has made decisions in the past very consistent with what you're saying, so it fits) on alienating anyone that happens to like the keystrokes, conventions, and working models of the GNU/OS as it existed before GNOME. We aren't wanted or needed in your world, obviously.
Doesn't make much sense to me. Perhaps if that is really the official policy of the project, it should change its name?
GTK+ 2.8.0 released Posted Aug 15, 2005 14:14 UTC (Mon) by elanthis (subscriber, #6227) [Link] GNU's Not UNIX. :P
GTK+ 2.8.0 released Posted Aug 15, 2005 19:57 UTC (Mon) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link] Let me assure you, I cannot speak for the project at all as I haven't written a single line of Gnome code. So, all the comments are my own personal views and not those of the Gnome Foundation.
I think you are reading too much into this. I used Gnome since 1.x and when things started changing (i.e. being simplified), I protested that I miss this or that. The truth is that I don't. I was just used to doing things that way and they are just fine they way they are now.
I was just telling Ross that he's completely free to feel the way he does. It is officially OK. I personally got over it, some people can't because they probably really need those things, which is OK too. But, direction of GTK is dictated by GTK developers, many of which are Gnome folks these days. Nothing "hell-bent" about that, just reality.
GTK+ 2.8.0 released Posted Aug 15, 2005 17:47 UTC (Mon) by Ross (subscriber, #4065) [Link] Sadly all the modern Mozilla/Firefox type browsers use GTK exclusively. Ifnot for that I wouldn't really care because the only other GTK apps I regularly use are XMMS and GIMP. I don't do much text entry in either so they don't bother me. I don't like using KDE apps because they start all kinds of background daemons and do strange things to the terminal they started from. I'm open to trying other browsers though.
GTK+ 2.8.0 released Posted Aug 16, 2005 0:30 UTC (Tue) by njhurst (guest, #6022) [Link] Yep, and XMMS shows how a good Unix gui should work! I particularly love the subtle interplay between the gtk1 preferences dialog and file window, and the subtle precisely detailed main interface that is configurable and can even pixel double for those times when you can't steer your mouse down to the single pixel buttons.
GTK+ 2.8.0 released Posted Aug 16, 2005 1:57 UTC (Tue) by Ross (subscriber, #4065) [Link] XMMS works for me. I use it becuase is very configurable and has most ofthe commonly used controls visible in a small footprint. I'm not sure if it is a great example of a Unix-like program, but at least it's no emacs or Netscape.
I do have one complaint, which is that it likes to move windows around by
Other programs like xv which have nothing to do with GTK have similar
It would be nice to be able to resize the program too (to view longer track
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