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Novell launches openSUSE.org
The Novell sponsored openSUSE.org
project is a community program providing free, easy access to SUSE Linux
and a chance to join in its development. SUSE Linux 10.0 Beta 1 (code
name: Prague), "an unsupported, open source only, preliminary edition
of SUSE Linux that contains bleeding-edge packages and represents the
latest development snapshot" is available for download. The final
release of 10.0 is scheduled for
September 28, 2005.
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release date not quite correct Posted Aug 9, 2005 22:11 UTC (Tue) by niner (subscriber, #26151) [Link] The roadmap states that "Beginning on Sep 28, 2005, we will regularly release alpha snapshots." (SUSE Linux 10.1 Schedule)
There is no release date set for SUSE Linux 10.0
Novell launches openSUSE.org Posted Aug 10, 2005 0:01 UTC (Wed) by jwb (guest, #15467) [Link] Where's the Wiki?
Novell launches openSUSE.org Posted Aug 10, 2005 1:10 UTC (Wed) by jamesh (guest, #1159) [Link] opensuse.org appears to be a wiki.
Novell launches openSUSE.org Posted Aug 10, 2005 2:56 UTC (Wed) by jwb (guest, #15467) [Link] Shows what I know. It didn't look like a Wiki at first glance, but I see now that it is.
It's 10.0, not 10.1 Posted Aug 10, 2005 0:47 UTC (Wed) by jmayer (subscriber, #595) [Link] The release will be 10.0, not 10.1. At that date the development/testingcycle for 10.1 will BEGIN.
Bleeding edge? What about PHP? Posted Aug 10, 2005 4:06 UTC (Wed) by denials (subscriber, #3413) [Link] I downloaded the 10.0 beta today and found that openSUSE 10.0 included PHP 4.4.0, even though PHP 5.0 has been out for a year.
It would be interesting to hear Novell's rationale behind that choice; PHP 5.0, which introduced real object-oriented support, has been criticized for being much slower than the 4.x stream, but PHP 5.1 (first release candidate coming out any day now) is supposed to correct those problems _and_ introduce PHP Data Objects, the standardized database access interface implemented in C that PHP has needed for some time now.
There's still time, I suppose, for openSUSE to update their packages for PHP 5.1.0; that would be truly bleeding edge. I suppose that until/unless openSUSE gathers a true community these kinds of decisions will be mostly opaque to developers and users outside of Novell.
Bleeding edge? What about PHP? Posted Aug 10, 2005 4:36 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link] complaining that a beta for an enterprise release doesn't include a yet-to-be-released version of something is beyond bleeding edge.
enterprise distros wait until after a release is made and then test it to see if it's advances are good enough to outweigh it's regressions (like the performance regression you mention for PHP 5.0)
given that Open Source software doesn't have fixed release dates, anyone who in Aug is depending on a release being made by some opensource project in time for their own release in Sept is makeing a mistake that they are unlikly to be able to recover from cleanly
Bleeding edge? What about PHP? Posted Aug 10, 2005 11:19 UTC (Wed) by denials (subscriber, #3413) [Link] Thanks, dlang, but openSUSE is supposed to be a community distro, not anenterprise distro. As a community distro, it should have more latitude to be on the bleeding edge--especially given that SuSE Professional 9.3 packaged PHP 5.0.3. I realize that this is structured like the Fedora/Red Hat Enterprise Linux relationship: Novell will evaluate the contents of the community distro (10.0, 10.1?) to determine what they will stand behind and officially support in the next version of SuSE Linux Enterprise Server, Novell Desktop, etc. Including PHP 5.0 in the first iteration of the community distro, then lifting that to PHP 5.1 when the release does happen (even in the openSUSE 10.1 stream), would seem to be the sensible thing to do _for a community distro_. openSUSE is still very new and will undoubtedly go through some growing pains as it learns to be a community distro (in the sense of transparent development decisions, packaging rationale, and open discussions with users, upstream developers, and would-be contributors). The third goal listed in their project overview recognizes this requirement: "Dramatically simplify and open the development and packaging processes to make SUSE Linux the platform of choice for Linux hackers and application developers".
Bleeding edge? What about PHP? Posted Aug 14, 2005 20:20 UTC (Sun) by mdekkers (guest, #85) [Link] refresh my memory please - what mainstream distro's include PHP 5.1?
Bleeding edge? What about PHP? Posted Aug 10, 2005 4:38 UTC (Wed) by cthiel (guest, #31699) [Link] Actually PHP5 is in SUSE Linux 10.0 OSS Beta1, it's not on the CD set. Simply add http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.0... as an installation source in YaST an get the php5 packages. That should be it!
Bleeding edge? What about PHP? Posted Aug 10, 2005 11:23 UTC (Wed) by denials (subscriber, #3413) [Link] Ah, thank you -- I hadn't seen that source in any of the installdocumentation, and while I assumed that YaST would deliver updates, I though it would just contain the same packages as were on the CD. Thanks for the tip!
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