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A toy and a promise from NokiaA toy and a promise from NokiaPosted May 26, 2005 11:25 UTC (Thu) by johnny (subscriber, #10110)Parent article: A toy and a promise from Nokia
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Quit whining, diversity is good Posted May 26, 2005 13:34 UTC (Thu) by hazelsct (guest, #3659) [Link] I could not disagree with you more. If anything, diversity on the desktop has been a good thing, promoting healthy competition between not only GNOME and KDE but also XFce, with each having its strength. And both the X standard and freedesktop.org have been ensuring that all apps can run in either environment, and even appear in each other's menus.
After all, if only Qt/KDE lovers would get a clue and realize that no vendor wants to create ISV confusion by distributing GPL libraries and that C++ sucks as an infrastructure library language (another layer of runtime bloat, so complex that even some small files with templates require hundreds of megabytes of RAM to compile, the ABI changes every year), maybe we'd all be standardized around GNOME. :-)
Quit whining, diversity is good Posted May 26, 2005 15:10 UTC (Thu) by ewan (subscriber, #5533) [Link] After all, if only Qt/KDE lovers would get a clue and realize that no vendor wants to create ISV confusion by distributing GPL libraries
Neither Sharp nor the various add on software vendors seemed to have
a problem with using Qtopia on the aforementioned Zauruses, and Opera
(which ships on the Nokia) uses Qt.
Quit whining, diversity is good Posted May 26, 2005 16:57 UTC (Thu) by tao (guest, #17563) [Link] Nokia doesn't use the Opera UI, only the rendering engine from Nokia. No QT involved.
Quit whining, diversity is good Posted May 26, 2005 19:04 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link] Neither Sharp nor the various add on software vendors seemed to have a problem with using Qtopia on the aforementioned Zauruses Sharp ? No. Add on software vendors ? No. Users ? Yes. When I've checked and found that I can not use most of my C860-compatible software with new C3000... This not what I want - and it's really hard to keep binary compatiblity between different releases of QT-basec things. GNOME is not perfect either but at least they are trying - unlike QT/KDE. And changes in C++ ABI is biggest problem there...
Quit whining, diversity is good Posted May 26, 2005 19:11 UTC (Thu) by oak (guest, #2786) [Link] Admittedly the Qt documentation etc. is excellent, but have you looked atthe Qt commercial version prices? http://www.trolltech.com/products/embedded/pricing.html http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/pricing.html "All developers in your company using Qt will need individual licenses." For a small company, especially the embedded version prices are pretty steep. The developed software has to sell pretty well to get back both the cost of development effort + development SW for the developers and how many of the companies producing just PDA software are doing economically that well? Anyway, I don't think it will take that long from someone to port Qt to the device. It seems pretty standard Linux with X11 and all...
Quit whining, diversity is good Posted May 28, 2005 5:50 UTC (Sat) by komarek (guest, #7295) [Link] The licensing prices aren't all that unreasonable for a business, relative to the probable salary of the developer. So I wouldn't expect the license cost to affect businesses much. Non-businesses that don't want to use the GPL may have troubles with the price. For instance research labs at some universities may want to distribute software, but not be allowed to use the GPL for one reason or another (perhaps the funding agencies require something else, like a BSD license).
I am personally happy that Trolltech has a GPL release for such a great software library. And I don't worry about the C++ API for two reasons. First, I've met a lot of GUI developers that like C++. Second, I use the python bindings.
A toy and a promise from Nokia Posted May 26, 2005 21:21 UTC (Thu) by johnny (subscriber, #10110) [Link] It wasn't my intention to start yet another qt vs gtk war, I just feelthat embedded Linux needs to be a reliable application platform just like the competitors from Palm and MS. It's obvious that "shared library hell" and application intercommunication hell will continue on the handhelds, just like on the desktop. Ok, I'll do as suggested and stop whining. Sorry about that.
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