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the Java crawlthe Java crawlPosted Mar 28, 2005 22:22 UTC (Mon) by rgmoore (✭ supporter ✭, #75)In reply to: the Java crawl by mgb Parent article: Java fallout: OpenOffice.org 2.0 and the FOSS community (NewsForge)
Yeah, but Fedora is dumping abiword (and koffice and gnumeric) so that they can include more Java s/w such as Eclipse and OOo 2. Do note, though, that "dumping" in this case means that they're moving those programs to Extras, not getting rid of them completely. And since FC4 is supposed to come with Extras pre-configured and ready with the main release, that means that adding Abiword, Koffice, and Gnumeric can be as simple as "yum install abiword koffice gnumeric". Not as nice as having them included on the install disks, but not a terrible ordeal, either.
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the Java crawl Posted Mar 29, 2005 0:42 UTC (Tue) by mgb (guest, #3226) [Link] > And since FC4 is supposed to come with Extras pre-configured ...
There's no FC4t1 Extras as such. Some FC3 Extras were dumped in a development tree which may one day become FC4 Extras but they were incomplete last time I checked and weren't even recompiled to work with FC4.
If Extras were maintained and integrated and tested - but just not shipped on the CD's - there would be much less of a problem. As it is, Extras are distinctly fourth-class citizens.
If one accepts that some applications have to be relegated to Extras, where is the sense in relegating stable applications to make way for pre-alpha Java apps? Would it not make more sense to put the Java stuff in a separate repository or CD?
Koffice, Abiword, and Gnumeric are needed on-CD to convert office workers to open source. The few developers that want to use Eclipse are quite capable of downloading it. Where is the sense in putting Eclipse on CD and relegating valuable office apps?
As for OOo, it's been my main office app for two years now. I hate the way they're cramming Java into it. Don't know yet whether I'll settle on Abiword or Kword.
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