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Try Ubuntu Hoary instead

Posted Mar 15, 2005 20:54 UTC (Tue) by pizza (subscriber, #46)
In reply to: Try Ubuntu Hoary instead by b7j0c
Parent article: Announcing Fedora Core 4 test1

Um, you only need the first Fedora CD to install a base system too. Once it's installed you can then use yum/apt/wget/whatever to install anything else that was on the other CDs.

You also contradicted yourself -- if Fedora needs the 'dag' repository to get "any recent software", and this is a problem, then how is Ubuntu's "maybe not the latest and greatest" not the same problem? (And funny, last time I checked people were still bitching about how Fedora tended to be pushing the bleeding edge with its bundled software.)

As you said, Ubuntu is not trying to be all things to all people. Perhaps those who prefer Fedora have their reasons, mmm?

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Posted Mar 15, 2005 21:27 UTC (Tue) by b7j0c (subscriber, #27559) [Link]

>> Um, you only need the first Fedora CD to install a base system too.

but this is not widely known and in fact i would say your comment simply adds to the confusion - why are there multiple distro CDs if only one is needed? and no, the fact that only one is needed is not widely advertised by the documentation.

>> You also contradicted yourself -- if Fedora needs the 'dag' repository to get "any recent software", and this is a problem, then how is Ubuntu's "maybe not the latest and greatest" not the same problem?

??? ubuntu provides one set of repositories that do not conflict with each other. there is stuff in dag which is in other repos. everyone uses dag but it is not an officially sanctioned distro repository. i don't see how my comment creates any contradiction.

now to their credit the fedora people are claiming to expedite the process of getting things in extras, but this is not scheduled to be "ready for prime time" until FC5 (their statement, not mine), and FC4 is not even out.

if they had not ignored fodora for so long, these would be non-issues. now they have serious competition from community distros.

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Posted Mar 15, 2005 21:45 UTC (Tue) by shahms (subscriber, #8877) [Link]

You did contradict yourself with those two points, btw. Either you can get the 'latest and greatest' or you can't.

"not until FC5" is completely untrue. The anaconda installer won't support additional repositories until FC5, but FC4 will be shipping with at least Extras configured and ready to go by default. In addition, the pace with which new packages are being added to Extras is astounding, especially considering how recently the infrastructure was finalized.

That Red Hat "ignored fodora [sic]" is also untrue. They never ignored it, they just did a lot of things in the background until the infrastructure was in place. I'm not going to defend the early atmosphere, but Fedora was definitely not "ignored".

Competition is good. Fedora *is* a community distro in almost exactly the same sense as Ubuntu. If you're going to compare the distros, please, please get your facts in order and refain from

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Posted Mar 16, 2005 2:55 UTC (Wed) by b7j0c (subscriber, #27559) [Link]

>> That Red Hat "ignored fodora [sic]" is also untrue.

http://news.com.com/Red+Hat+Fedora+will+engage+customers/...

"One of the mistakes we made when we launched this Enterprise Linux product was we focused so exclusively on this enterprise market that we left this (early-adopter customer) square uncovered," Tiemann said. "It insulted some of our best supporters. But worse, we lost our opportunity to do customer-driven innovation."

i'm going to go with tiemann on this one.

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Posted Mar 15, 2005 22:41 UTC (Tue) by pizza (subscriber, #46) [Link]

>> why are there multiple distro CDs if only one is needed?

For the same reason you can download a six CD set of Debian as opposed to a 100 meg minicd installer image -- So people with slow, metered, or non-existant internet connections can still do more than base installs.