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Mandrakesoft, Conectiva to merge

Mandrakesoft, Conectiva to merge

Posted Feb 24, 2005 23:29 UTC (Thu) by pglennon (guest, #649)
Parent article: Mandrakesoft, Conectiva to merge

Really? No comments? Ok, here's a few:

Holy Shit, what is going to happen to the distros, both server and workstation? will the product lines merge? will the developers cross pollinate? what happens when you mix French and Brazilian developers? What value do the companies hope to bring to one another, and why didn't they state that in the press release? Are they just trying to be big? Does Connectiva not believe that they can own South American on their own? Is Mandrake worried that SuSe will grow beyond Germany and a few small towns in the US?


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Mandrakesoft, Conectiva to merge

Posted Feb 25, 2005 6:49 UTC (Fri) by horen (subscriber, #2514) [Link]

what happens when you mix French and Brazilian developers?

Uhhh, the "Tux" penguin drinking a Campari-and-soda, wearing a thong.

No comments

Posted Feb 25, 2005 7:02 UTC (Fri) by hingo (subscriber, #14792) [Link]

It seems that Mandrake news never generates any comments on LWN. So let's do my best...

This was bound to happen, I don't think it surprises anyone. It was just a matter of waiting until both companies are profitable and one get's big enough to "buy" the other.

The synergies are obvious, and the happy couple have been good friends for long. For as long as I can remember, Mandrakes has used the Galaxy theme, which is made by a Conectiva employee. Mandrake is the most popular user-friendly, user-oriented, desktop-oriented distribution. (Mandrake never told me to use Microsoft on the desktop!) But it will do Mandrake very good to have some of the Conectiva hackers on their rooster, not to mention the pure PR value of being the company to hire the stable kernel maintainer.

Further, both companies, or at least Mandrake, are rather small. Mandrake can barely spare one person to maintain the Club website, even though the Club brings in the majority of their revenue. And last but not least, territorially they don't overlap very much.

The interesting question is, how will the legacy of the two kingdoms be divided? Will urpmi or apt-rpm face retirement? Urpmi was one of the best things coming out of Mandrake. But for the larger community it would be beneficial to standardise on apt for both deb and rpm management. To make things more interesting, I think lately urpmi has actually surpassed the apt-suite in features. (Or maybe it's just me who has not followed up on apt.)

One final guess: They will drop the more known Mandrake name and use Conectiva. This is based on guessing that Mandrake has not got a very strong position in their trademark quarrel with Mandrake the Magician comic. This merger would give them an easy way out, without admitting guilt.

<Several> comments -- Mandrake/Conectiva

Posted Feb 25, 2005 11:30 UTC (Fri) by Duncan (guest, #6647) [Link]

I expect Mandrake to use this to lose that
name, for that reason, as well,
altho I'm not sure it'll be Conectiva they adopt. "Connectdrake", anyone?
<g> Maybe "Condrake"? <hmm... maybe not...> "Mandriva"? <g>

I'm glad Mandrake's getting some kernel folks with quite the name
recognition as well, in the form of Marcelo T., and R. Van Riel (is he
still with Conectiva?). Among other things, having that sort of known
kernel expertise should improve their chance at landing big accounts that
like that sort of technical resources available, making them more
competitive with Novell/SuSE and Red Hat. I know Mandrake had several
other community projects and the fact that they didn't go the freedom
lacking route of SuSE (worse b4 Novell) I always appreciated, but
Conectiva as small and mainly regional as it was got a lot of respect for
having those kernel hackers, that Mandrake was missing.

I was a Mandrake user for a couple years, but left them for Gentoo when it
became plain Mandrake wasn't interested in an up-to-date AMD64 release.
(Cooker for AMD64 basically consists of the latest community release of
their x86/i586 stuff, while i586 cooker has long since moved on to working
on the next release. When I left, Mandrake's KDE on AMD64 was fully two
release versions behind the official KDE release (and what was available
for x86 Cooker, which often had /pre/-release KDE available -- BTW, I'm
running KDE-3.4-rc2 on Gentoo/AMD64 as I write this). This was /not/ due
to any particular problem with porting to AMD64, either, as Gentoo had the
current KDE available for AMD64.)

Also, when I upgraded to my dual Opteron /desktop/ workstation, I set
reserved $100+ to go to Mandrake, as my distrib of choice at the time.
Unfortunately, try as I might, I couldn't find a suitable Mandrake product
to spend it on. (They didn't offer any personal/desktop AMD64 product for
purchase, only business, and that only as a set of physical CDs that would
be pretty much outdated by the time they shipped. Club? All it seemed to
be about at the time was i586. There was a torrent for amd64 released a
bit belatedly, but no AMD64 club forums, no way to vote for AMD64 in club
votes, etc. Further, both sets included some slaveware/proprietaryware as
well, and I've no interest in funding that, even indirectly. Ironically,
it would have been better for my relationship with Mandrake had I /not/
decided I wanted to spend money on them, as one doesn't expect as much
from a product one isn't paying for.)

Maybe with the developer team from Conectiva, this will change, altho I've
long since realized the Gentoo community distribution concept fits me
better anyway, and don't see it as likely that I'll be moving back,
personally. (If I did move back to a binary-emphasis distrib, it'd likely
be to the community based Debian, which is likely where I would have ended
up had it not been for Gentoo.) I'd still recommend Mandrake to those
Linux newbies on x86, however, particularly those with older equipment
that wouldn't take well to from source emphasis distributions like Gentoo,
and to those not so pleasurably challenged by the leading and sometimes
bleeding edge, as I find myself.

Duncan (still reflecting some of my frustration from the time)

<Several> comments -- Mandrake/Conectiva

Posted Feb 25, 2005 13:23 UTC (Fri) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]

Actually, Marcelo and Rik both moved on to other employers a little while back...

<Several> comments -- Mandrake/Conectiva

Posted Feb 27, 2005 21:11 UTC (Sun) by hingo (subscriber, #14792) [Link]

"Mandriva"?

Man-diva!

Mandrakegalaxy

Posted Mar 5, 2005 16:47 UTC (Sat) by fcrozat (subscriber, #175) [Link]

> The synergies are obvious, and the happy couple have been good friends for > long. For as long as I can remember, Mandrakes has used the Galaxy theme,
> which is made by a Conectiva employee.

This is completely false. Mandrakegalaxy theme was done internaly at Mandrakesoft.

Mandrakesoft, Conectiva to merge

Posted Feb 25, 2005 14:31 UTC (Fri) by ecureuil (subscriber, #3507) [Link]

>What value do the companies hope to bring to one another

From the rumours, I've heard in the Parisian Solutions Linux show, the
fusion between Conectiva and Mandrakesoft brings a lot of synergy in
'packaging'. For the time being, Mandrakesoft has no top-notch kernel
packager/hacker. It makes sense to share one in the new entity and
Brazilians hackers cost less than French ones. So I believe that the two
product lines are going to merge their technical base and infrastructure
to share packaging work. It is also easy to work together on packaging
through the Internet. After that, the Brazilian market is different than
the French one and I guess that each entity will keep a large commercial
autonomy.
Culturally, I think it is going to go smoothly. It is easy for a French
to understand Portuguese Brazilian and vice-versa (the language barrier
is much lower than between Novell and Suse) and there is francophilia in
the Brazilian left. Big French companies (car, auto-parts) have also
large and succesful subsidiaries in Brazil.

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