Re: mozilla thunderbird trademark restrictions / still dfsg free?

Francesco Poli wrote:
> If these names are unacceptable, I begin to be concerned that users
> won't be able to find the right packages or type the right shell
> commands, without having to remember weird mutant names from outer
> space...  :-(
> 
> Don't you feel that many users will use that really cool
> StormyFlyingAnimal MUA without even knowing it actually is Mozilla
> Thunderbird with some distro-specific adaptations?
> "Mozilla Thunderbird" could be a brand of quality, but who will
> acknowledge this, when nobody knows he/she is actually using that
> program?

This is the entire point, isn't it? :-) We want people to use 
Thunderbird in Debian, and to know they are using Thunderbird, and to 
get the high quality experience people get from using our Thunderbird. 
And we want to come to some arrangement with Debian to make that possible.

However, you guys want the freedom to ship software that sucks - or, 
more to the point and more likely, want to be able to easily give your 
software to other people and allow them to make it suck and then ship 
it. If that software ships using our trademarks, then that is 
incompatible with our trademark goals. So if we can't come to some 
arrangement that lets Debian use them but asks redistributors to contact 
us or remove them, then it's increasingly looking like we can't square 
this circle :-(

We're happy to say that Debian doesn't tend to ship software that sucks 
- but you want the freedom to do so, and let others do so. And I 
understand that. :-)

Gerv