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CluelessCluelessPosted Dec 9, 2004 7:31 UTC (Thu) by bronaugh (guest, #26553)In reply to: Clueless by Boobis Parent article: Debian and the hot babe problem
I entirely agree with Boobis here that it's not kosher to be objectifying anyone's body. I strongly disagree with this. At the same time, though, I strongly disagree with most every form of censorship.
What it comes down to is: Is Debian supposed to be rated G? I mean, there's plenty of offensive stuff in Debian -- may I refer you to xevil (violent but not overall sexist) and fortunes-off (definitely has sexist content).
I guess the best solution here would be for Debian to have an "offensive" tag for packages (or maybe even a totally separate package source for material that could be construed as offensive), so that things like fortunes-off, xevil, and now "hot-babe" can be put into that and be entirely excluded if desired. Essentially, take them more or less "out of the public eye".
Now, a bit of a rant: To those who have said on this thread "bla bla bla women are treated better than men, bla bla bla" -- so far as I see, that's not true. There's still gender inequality in terms of pay, women are still less likely to feel safe on the street, etc. This is in spite of government intervention to ameliorate this. You're wrong -- now get over it, and quit making statements which have been thoroughly proven to be false.
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Clueless Posted Dec 9, 2004 8:35 UTC (Thu) by Wol (guest, #4433) [Link] The trouble with women *feeling* less safe on the streets is nothing to do with government and, short of censorship, there's no way the government can do anything about it ...
Dunno about America, but here in the UK the group of people at greatest risk of being randomly attacked on the streets are young males. Yet here also, it's women who feel most threatened.
Cheers,
Clueless Posted Dec 9, 2004 18:43 UTC (Thu) by etbe (subscriber, #17516) [Link] Young males are most likely to be attacked on the street because theymost often do things to incite attack. Women feel unsafe on the streets because they tend to be physically weaker than men and because a majority of both men and women believe that a man who attacks a woman is certain of success (despite much evidence to the contrary). I know some men who are not overly muscular who appear to feel more unsafe on the streets than some women I know. But it's nothing to do with the issues of gender equality. It's just a fact that there are bad people out there and different people have different ways of assessing the risk posed by such people and their chances of success in dealing with them.
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