Elektrified X.org released [LWN.net]

Elektrified X.org released

Posted Dec 1, 2004 10:47 UTC (Wed) by evgeny (guest, #774)
In reply to: Elektrified X.org released by tzafrir
Parent article: Elektrified X.org released

> remote management etc. is beyond the scope of Elektra. [...] It just provides a simple method of accessing configuration.

Exactly. It, essentially, implements the day-before-yesterday functionality (INI configs) yet requires facilities not present in all current filesystems.

> Adding remote management, versioning on top of that is proably possible.

Well, the keywords here are "on top" and "probably". ;-) With the same expected level of success as adding security on top of DOS was. It just strikes me that a project with such an ambitious goal as converting _all_ the Unix configuration mess to a single API didn't bother thinking of even yesterday's requirements to system configuration!

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Elektrified X.org released

Posted Dec 2, 2004 23:07 UTC (Thu) by tzafrir (subscriber, #11501) [Link]

> Exactly. It, essentially, implements the
> day-before-yesterday functionality (INI configs)

No, it is not INI config. With INI config you have only thre-level deep tree of configuration (file, section, key). Electra does not have this silly limitation.

> yet requires facilities not present in all current filesystems.

The *required* facilities are avilable everywhere. On some systems it will be less efficient. But even ext3 now has support for a more scalable directory access . Try tune2fs -O dir_index

> Well, the keywords here are "on top" and
> "probably". ;-) With the same expected level
> of success as adding security on top of DOS was.

Rebuilding everything from scratch has even less expected chance of adding security.

> It just strikes me that a project with such
> an ambitious goal as converting _all_ the Unix
> configuration mess to a single API didn't bother
> thinking of even yesterday's requirements to
> system configuration!

Into a system that is easy to use by eveything and can be used anywhere.
How can you configure the network using this daemon if the networked daemon needs the network configuration just to get going?

Elektrified X.org released

Posted Dec 3, 2004 19:49 UTC (Fri) by evgeny (guest, #774) [Link]

> How can you configure the network using this daemon if the networked daemon needs the network configuration just to get going?

In exactly the same way I can run a LDAP server holding the user DB under a given account. Also, think e.g. of gcc bootstrapping, running of fsck on / before anything is mounted etc. We have a lot of similar chicken-or-egg problems.