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A First Look at Novell Linux Desktop 9A First Look at Novell Linux Desktop 9Posted Nov 11, 2004 12:58 UTC (Thu) by cross (subscriber, #13601)Parent article: A First Look at Novell Linux Desktop 9
As a paying SuSE customer of many years standing and currently on SuSE 9.0 I use WindowMaker (which is based on GNUStep) as my desktop. This is very well supported in SuSE, and seems to be the semi-official second choice after KDE. I've perturbed by your comment "GNOME 2.6 and KDE 3.2.1 are the only two desktop environments available". Is this literally true? Has support for WindowMaker been dropped since the Novell takeover? I've downloaded the Live Eval DVD and sure enough WindowMaker is notable by it's absence, but as it is a live demo I don't expect it to contain everything that's in the full boxed set. I can't find any mention either way on Novell's website. If WindowMaker support is dropped, my next upgrade past SuSE 9.0 won't be to Novell it will be to Gentoo, so I'd like to know before shelling out the money for SuSE 9.2.
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A First Look at Novell Linux Desktop 9 Posted Nov 11, 2004 14:07 UTC (Thu) by jayavarman (subscriber, #19600) [Link] Have you looked at ftp://ftp.novell.com/pub/forge/nld/source/ ? A simple search there and it seems there's no WM related pkg.
A First Look at Novell Linux Desktop 9 Posted Nov 11, 2004 16:09 UTC (Thu) by louie (subscriber, #3285) [Link] 'dropped from NLD' != 'dropped from 9.2'. NLD is 3 CDs, 9.2 is 5 CDs, and about 1,000 other packages on the DVD. So clearly some things in 9.2 didn't make it to NLD.
A First Look at Novell Linux Desktop 9 Posted Nov 11, 2004 18:46 UTC (Thu) by cross (subscriber, #13601) [Link] > 'dropped from NLD' != 'dropped from 9.2'
True, but the LiveDVD is SuSE 9.2. It's not on that and the website doesn't mention it. I'm surprised that WindowMaker isn't more widely promoted, the Mac OS X compatibility (GNUStep is essentially a Free implementation of the Cocoa application framework http://developer.apple.com/cocoa/) is a useful thing.
A First Look at Novell Linux Desktop 9 Posted Nov 12, 2004 14:58 UTC (Fri) by jmalcolm (guest, #8876) [Link] I love WindowMaker but I think it is misleading to call it a GNUStep app. Both WindowMaker and GNUStep were inspired by NeXT and as such WindowMaker seems like an obvious WM for a GNUStep setup but the projects do not share a common technical heritage. WindowMaker does not use the GNUStep libraries, is not an OpenStep app, and is not coded in Objective-C. This means that it has little to do with OS X or Cocoa although I am sure it has been ported. I think that WindowMaker is coded in C++ although I should really do some homework before saying so.
A First Look at Novell Linux Desktop 9 Posted Nov 12, 2004 20:09 UTC (Fri) by cross (subscriber, #13601) [Link] > I love WindowMaker but I think it is misleading to call it a GNUStep app.
You're probably right, I'm just a humble user and also speaking specifically about the very polished WindowMaker environment from SuSE. I can say that the "About" dialog thinks it's GNUStep, it says:
GNUStep
and WindowMaker's homepage says
"Window Maker is an X11 window manager originally designed to provide integration support for the GNUstep Desktop Environment. In every way possible, it reproduces the elegant look and feel of the NEXTSTEP[tm] user interface. ... Window Maker includes compatibility options which allow it to work with other popular desktop environments, namely GNOME and KDE
I read that as making it a NeXT like desktop environment based on GNUStep (including "Cocoa" extensions from Mac OS X) with good support for Gnome and KDE applications. That's what I use it as anyway. Whatever, we're well off-topic now.
I'm delighted to hear that it is still well supported in newer versions of SuSE.
A First Look at Novell Linux Desktop 9 Posted Nov 12, 2004 18:01 UTC (Fri) by stuart_hc (subscriber, #9737) [Link] The SUSE 9.2 LiveCD is 1.4GB while the DVD from a SUSE 9.2 boxed set contains 8GB of software. The WindowMaker rpms are indeed available with SUSE 9.2 and you can set your session type to WindowMaker amoung a number of other windows managers (GNOME KDE FVWM BlackBox IceWM MWM Openbox TWM)suse/i586/WindowMaker-0.80.2.20030506-200.i586.rpm suse/i586/WindowMaker-applets-1.0-649.i586.rpm suse/i586/WindowMaker-devel-0.80.2.20030506-200.i586.rpm suse/noarch/WindowMaker-themes-0.1-239.noarch.rpm
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