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Not So Fast, Linux (Business Week)Not So Fast, Linux (Business Week)Posted Oct 29, 2004 15:05 UTC (Fri) by mmarq (guest, #2332)In reply to: Not So Fast, Linux (Business Week) by stumbles Parent article: Not So Fast, Linux (Business Week)
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But MS never palyed fair... and they are successfully bribing and brain washing people in markets where IBM, HP, RH, Novel should have the edge... Where is the counter-attack ?... where are responsible studies showing MS Lying trough their teeth ?...
...after SCO this is FUD War II... somebody should do something... remember most computer users are clueless, and most decision makers, specialy politicians, are bribable...
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Not So Fast, Linux (Business Week) Posted Oct 29, 2004 15:23 UTC (Fri) by hppnq (subscriber, #14462) [Link] Not to worry, it will all work out in the end. I agree with you that decision-making is not always about making the best choice, because of personal motives or temporary triggers like a huge discount. The beauty of Open Source is, though, that it cannot be bought, and it cannot be destroyed. It is only a matter of time before enough people in the right seats will make the right decisions. ;-)That said it annoys me that some of the problems described in the article seem completely unnecessary and are really bad advertisement (I mean the email and internet connectivity problem). 'Cause that's the best "counter attack": show that it works.
Not So Fast, Linux (Business Week) Posted Oct 29, 2004 15:44 UTC (Fri) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link] " Not to worry, it will all work out in the end. "
How can you be so sure ?... exposing the wrong is a moral dutie, not a D. Quixote cruzade... and that is exactly the problem, as i point in this site, about a study: http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&...
" "You have do to pay for the report"
*@«'##3*@... someone please awake the community?... the giants in "our" community ?... it seems that no one cares if MS get away lying and shiting...
IT SHOULD BE PUBLISHED EVERYWHERE, AS OFTEN A SMALL 'COMMUN' FUND WOULD ALLOW IT "
If nobody with 'real' interests(finacial, image, market share...) in this, NOT ME, would not worry or care, than that is why ??
I agree with you that Open Source as a 'Global force' is undestroyable for now... but it can be stalled.
Not So Fast, Linux (Business Week) Posted Oct 29, 2004 16:50 UTC (Fri) by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330) [Link] It will work out because Microsoft will have to give deeper and deeper discounts to compete, and this will cause their revenue to decline each year on a year-to-year basis. They have piles of cash, true, but public corporations are expected by their investors to grow, not shrink.
Not So Fast, Linux (Business Week) Posted Oct 29, 2004 17:29 UTC (Fri) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link] " They have piles of cash, true, but public corporations are expected by their investors to grow, not shrink. "
Oh come on... 'Remember Enron'... when it was no more possible to cook-book... letting Microsoft get away with criminal activity is exactly what they want to continue sitting on top of a financial pyramid, without distributing any dividend( or almost none)... and that is why they are protected by goverments, specialy the USA, because they are a financial Icon,.. not because of their crap software products or the Open Source menace( classified as commie-pro by right wing financial sharks)...
Should Other corporations (IBM, HP, RH, NOVELL...) sitt iddle with fear of 'goverment entalgments' and lose money for their shareholders ?,... or should they fight-back in the press no mattering Microsoft having a heavier machine?
Not So Fast, Linux (Business Week) Posted Oct 29, 2004 17:28 UTC (Fri) by hppnq (subscriber, #14462) [Link] I really think Open Source will not only change the software landscape, but also the way people think about it. Already we see that traditional ways of doing business are not always sufficient; for instance, increasingly, price and features are not the only criteria anymore.There's only so much time Microsoft can influence the market by sheer brute force (offering huge discounts), especially since their not exactly strong in the areas where Open Source excels, and that have the attention of companies, governments and universities alike: openness, reliability, excellent support and continuity, to name a few.
Not So Fast, Linux (Business Week) Posted Oct 29, 2004 17:36 UTC (Fri) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link] Beautiful and i agree... but nothing falls from the sky, you have to fight.
Not So Fast, Linux (Business Week) Posted Oct 29, 2004 19:02 UTC (Fri) by hppnq (subscriber, #14462) [Link] Ah yes, of course!Let's just get our shoulders under it and lift Open Source to even higher levels. It will be amusing to see the moloch squirm.
Not So Fast, Linux (Business Week) Posted Oct 29, 2004 21:09 UTC (Fri) by daveB49 (guest, #25748) [Link] It won't be stalled very much - or for very long. There is a hugemovement out there to move away from MS (and generally towards Linux). It's taken a long time to get going but it has momentum that even MS can't stop. More than half of the systems out there are pre-XP, most of them running on older machines that can't even run XP. MS has stopped supporting those operating systems, XP is in the headlines every day with security issues, so where are these people going to turn. Certainly not all to buying new computers with XP. The 'light' versions that they're putting out has far less going for it than Linux, and it's only available on new boxes anyway. Linux distos have come a very long way in the last couple of years. As the market share starts to grow, the pace of development will increase. MS can't maintain the 'discounts' and all of the costs of programming patches without starting to hurt. They already had to scale back on Longhorn - which will need a very high level system to run - because they had to put their programmers onto SP2 (which doesn't make them any money). Certainly their little tricks should be published - and they getting published, more and more of them all the time. This is already moving a lot faster than most people were predicting even a couple of years ago.
Not So Fast, Linux (Business Week) Posted Oct 29, 2004 22:58 UTC (Fri) by hppnq (subscriber, #14462) [Link] Right. Besides, it's not like Microsoft hasn't been trying for years now to cut Linux off at the knee.
Not So Fast, Linux (Business Week) Posted Oct 29, 2004 23:26 UTC (Fri) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link] " More than half of the systems out there are pre-XP, most of them runningon older machines that can't even run XP. MS has stopped supporting those operating systems, XP is in the headlines every day with security issues, so where are these people going to turn... "
Without any effort of educating them, and user-friendness, they will again turn to Microsoft of course... without a shred of a doubt.
Worst Microsoft is deceiving them to belive they are going to be safe, and adding more pain to the injury,... they are saying they are more save them Linux!!!...gush!!!...
Well my experience on the field, tells me that that kind of users "trend" to support an amazing dose of abuse from Microsoft... even graduated people inside entreprises... they know something, or at least they belive they know something about computers... Microsoft led them to think so... its something they adquired, and want to preserve as valuable... and the last thing they want is some ' new wave' guy to demonstrate that they dont know letterly nothing about computers...
The truth in face of the ever growing complexity of computer 'things', as stricked as intuition, and so these people domestic/SOHO/SME mostly trend to stick with what they belive they know and dominate... virus, worms, BSODs, everything... so Win9x has still a substancial base of installations(economic reason is not the primary reason).
Some reposition of the truth is badly needed here, studies, press divulgation,... and there is where IBM, HP, RH, Novell should enter strong.
Not So Fast, Linux (Business Week) Posted Oct 29, 2004 23:34 UTC (Fri) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link] Experience should be different from country to country, but the 'general picture' would be very close, i belive.
Not So Fast, Linux (Business Week) Posted Oct 30, 2004 2:02 UTC (Sat) by daveB49 (guest, #25748) [Link] Microsoft is giving Linux lots of press coverage, and thanks to the factthat Steve B represents the worst side of MS (and that's saying something) there are a lot of people having a look to see what it's all about. Yes we need to educate people - it isn't going to happen overnight, but we are starting to get somewhere. I use google news canada for my news headlines. There's at least 5 Linux items every week these days, a year ago you barely saw Linux mentioned at all, and most of these items are positive towards Linux. There's also a lot of bad-news stuff on MS.
Not So Fast, Linux (Business Week) Posted Oct 31, 2004 15:54 UTC (Sun) by sgposs (guest, #12391) [Link] MS is a business and the business of business to is to make money.Considering it is headed by an incredibly competitive guy who values making more money than anyone else, it will remain competitive regardless of what it sells or how it sells it. Fair/unfair is largely irrelevant and certainly, like morality, relative to one's perspective. This being said, the fate of Linux and Open Source is really in the hands of its users/members. If the Linux/OSS community wants to get out from under the monopoly that M$ currently provides the world, then the extent to which each individual member of the community contributes to improving the Linus/OSS environment, will determine how or what it creates. Let us channel our creativity into writing code that is available to all, whether in C, Java, C++, Perl, etc. and developing active community projects that provide software whose functionality is second to none. When you feel compelled to vent your frustrations with M$, sit down take a deep breath and then instead, write some code, or improve currently existing online documentation, create a better Linux/OSS friendly website, or better yet, come up with a wholly new idea that will propel Linux/OSS forward by a huge leap. If for every M$ comment on the net, we had just one line of code, we would be well on our way to lessening the grip of M$. If everyone in the Linux/OSS community takes this approach, M$ won't stand a chance, whether M$ offers bribes or undisclosed discounts or not. As use of Linux/OSS increases, so does the spinoff ($) in terms of support, software, etc. for the community to plow back into its own (individual) success. Although those in the US tend to be overwhelmingly America-centric, there is a hugh base of opportunity for the Linux/OSS community to grow outside the US. This does not constitute a political threat, rather an opportunity for Linux/OSS members everywhere to benefit from the good work of each other. So have fun and do the right thing (whatever you think it is, I'm optimistic that reasonable members of the community can figure this out in a way that we can all benefit).
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