Posted Oct 15, 2004 22:38 UTC (Fri) by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330)
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If you did that as an ISP, it would be illegal. But there is nothing
illegal about large numbers of well-read sites including the following
HTML somewhere on their home page:
Posted Oct 16, 2004 6:29 UTC (Sat) by sholden (guest, #7881)
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Which would be aremarkably silly thing to do if you are trying to influence google search results...
Better idea
Posted Oct 21, 2004 23:23 UTC (Thu) by jmason (guest, #13586)
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or, alternatively -- for non-Lynx browsers:
<a href="javascript:self.location='http://example.com/'"> example.com </a> also sux!
Groklaw gets some anti-Linux competition (ZDNet)
Posted Oct 15, 2004 23:53 UTC (Fri) by corbet (editor, #1)
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As an ISP, I'll be sure to redirect all prosco.net requests to groklaw.net!
Why on earth would you want to do that? SCO's public pronouncements have been its own worst enemy through this whole thing. Let them talk, let people see it. Beyond being the right thing to do anyway, it will doubtless lead to some good laughs and evidence for SCO's opponents.
Groklaw gets some competition (ZDNet)
Posted Oct 17, 2004 15:50 UTC (Sun) by JohnnyComeEarly (guest, #25449)
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Somehow I really don't believe your an ISP. Get out of the basement, kid.
Groklaw attracts basically the same crowd with respect to rabid belief in the Linux platform as Slashdot. So 90+ percent of all comments are "we rock, SCO is lame" Somehow I think the Prosco site will get the same group only to post" we rock, SCO is lame". So what is the point of them having comments at all.
Groklaw is a very one sided site. Prosco will be the same. Most people, Slashdotter's excepted, beleive the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Groklaw gets some competition (ZDNet)
Posted Oct 17, 2004 21:19 UTC (Sun) by anselm (subscriber, #2796)
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Let the legal papers speak for themselves. You have to be neither a rabid
believer in the Linux platform nor a legal whiz kid to see that SCO are
digging their own grave, and deep.
If »most people« really agree that »the truth is somewhere in the
middle«, it would be interesting to hear what this belief is based on. It
sure can't be due to the proof SCO has consistently failed -- in spite of
various court orders to the contrary -- to present for more than one and
a half years now. To anybody who after following the legal record (never
mind Groklaw) still believes SCO have anything resembling a case, I have
a bridge in New York to sell. In excellent condition, too.
Anselm
Groklaw gets some competition (ZDNet)
Posted Oct 18, 2004 10:41 UTC (Mon) by eru (subscriber, #2753)
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To anybody who after following the legal record (never
mind Groklaw) still believes SCO have anything resembling a case
Unfortunately SCO's lawyers appear to be quite expert in prolonging
the pain. For example, they are now asking the judge permission to amend
their original complaint against IBM for the second time. IMHO this is
another good indication they did not have any case to begin with, but they
might well succeed in tiring the opposition with legal shenanigans...
Groklaw gets some competition (ZDNet)
Posted Oct 18, 2004 16:05 UTC (Mon) by AJWM (guest, #15888)
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they did not have any case to begin with, but they might well succeed in tiring the opposition with legal shenanigans..
Uh, the Novell, AutoZone, Daimler-Chrysler and RedHat suits aside, the real opposition is IBM -- you remember, the company whose lawyers wore out the government in the anti-trust trial of 1969-1981. I don't think SCO is going to be "tiring the opposition" any time soon. (And recall that in that case, IBM wasn't in a position to file patent- and copyright-infringement countersuits the way it has in the SCO case.)
SCO's toast.
Groklaw gets some competition (ZDNet)
Posted Oct 19, 2004 7:58 UTC (Tue) by eru (subscriber, #2753)
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IBM -- you remember, the company whose lawyers wore out the government in the anti-trust trial of 1969-1981.
Wasn't a major reason the Governement gave up at that time
that the more pro-business Reagan administration came into
power in 1980? Compare with how the Microsoft settlement coincided
with the Bush Jr. administration 20 years later.
But I must agree your example still shows IBM has the stamina to pursue
legal cases as long as it takes.
Groklaw gets some competition (ZDNet)
Posted Oct 18, 2004 16:41 UTC (Mon) by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330)
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SCO's lawyers have their own interest, which might not match the interest of SCO's stockholders. The longer the agony is prolonged, the more fees the lawyers collect. Those fees come out of SCO's remaining cash. When it's gone (either because the money runs out or the remaining stockholders wise up), the party's over.
Groklaw gets some competition (ZDNet)
Posted Oct 18, 2004 16:54 UTC (Mon) by hppnq (subscriber, #14462)
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Your conclusion is incorrect, obviously. The fact that there are two opposite points of view does not mean that the truth is in the middle: you have to take a look at the evidence supporting those points of view.
And then there can be no other conclusion: SCO doesn't have a case.
Having said that, I usually skip the Groklaw comments nowadays, because I got tired of the many trolls and counter-trolls.
Averages and the truth
Posted Oct 19, 2004 6:50 UTC (Tue) by Ross (subscriber, #4065)
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Thanks, I was going to say something very similar. I'll go ahead and say
it anyway:
The truth does not have to live on a one-dimensional axis. If, for
example, SCO claims there are millions of lines of "stolen" code and
someone else claims there are zero lines, that doesn't mean the truth has
to be that there are 1-999999 lines of "stolen" code. The truth may be on
or even past the extremes (<1 or >1000000) and it almost certainly won't be
a linear combination of the two claims because the world is not
one-dimensional. For example, "stolen" may be used with different meanings
in each side's claim.
The idea that the truth is just the average of every side's claims is
disturbingly popular and obviously misguided. The justification is often
that it's not a black and white world ... but the truth is that it's not
even a grayscale world! You can't force the search for the truth to be
bounded virtually guarantees you will not find it. The average may be
relatively close to the truth on average, but it is rarely ever exactly
true (the average will usually not be the truth either) and often
(depending on the what the distribution of claims looks like and the range
of possible outcomes) it will be significantly further from the truth than
one of the side's claims.
IMHO SCO has to be wrong. They have made so many extreme claims which are
not compatible with each other that it doesn't matter what the truth is:
a large number of SCO's statements MUST be wrong because of simple logic.
They can't claim both X and !X are true at the same time. SCO's actions do
not make sense for a company with a legitimate legal claim.
Claiming that Groklaw is biased and that the comments are simplistic and
dogmatic does not change the claims of the two sides nor does it change the
truth. Do you have any reason to believe that SCO has a legitimate claim
other than you don't like Slashdot and Groklaw? Attacking the messenger
isn't a valid way to disprove someone's argument.