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SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9

SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9

Posted Sep 9, 2004 9:58 UTC (Thu) by ranger (guest, #6415)
Parent article: SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9

This happens to be exactly the same price as one would pay for the Basic Edition of Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES, which is the cheapest of any server products made by Red Hat (excluding Fedora Core).

Some people would still consider RHEL3 WS edition to be capable of most server tasks. The only packages WS does not have that ES does have are some of the more advanced servers (amanda-server, arptables_jf, bind, caching-nameserver, dhcp, freeradius, inews, inn, krb5-server, netdump-server, openldap-servers, pxe, quagga, radvd, rarpd, tftp-server, tux, vsftpd, ypserv). Samba, NFS and apache are included in WS, so it may be suitable for many server tasks (and it has exactly the same kernel, so hardware support is identical).

While some will argue that the 2.6 kernel series has not matured enough to be considered reliable and well-tested for deployment on mission-critical production systems, this is probably more of a concern on desktops and workstations rather than servers, which typically are less demanding in terms of hardware and driver support.

While servers may not have such a variety of hardware, they typically have hardware which very few people have access to. For example, consult the EMC hardware compatability list, and you will see that RedHat is certified for most combinations of server hardware, Fibre HBA, and software (ie clustering). It will be a long time before SLES9 appears on that list, becuase of their selection of a 2.6 kernel (and since SLES8 is only on the very basic sections of the list as it is, this is not good for people with enterprise storage requirements).

Now that we have established that, in terms of features and architectural support, SLES 9 is superior to RHEL 3

I don't see how you have established that, since you failed to list the architectures RHEL3 supports. At present, the list of supported architectures for RHEL3 is:

  • x86
  • x86_64 (both amd64 and the recently announced emt64 support)
  • Itanium2
  • IBM zSeries, POWER Series, S/390 Series

So, I don't see that SLES9 is ahead of RHEL3 in this area.

the "Switch User" feature first developed by Xandros

You don't mention how this is implemented, but if it is implemented the same way it was before in earlier versions of SuSE (via the Menu->Start New Session entry), then no, this feature was not developed by Xandros, it was developed by the KDE team, and is present on many other distributions (such as Mandrakelinux 9.2 and later, since all that is necessary to enable it is correct X configuration). Additionally, is uses a similar method to the one gdm uses (which has been available on Red Hat since about 6.2 IIRC).

I never know if your articles purposely include controversial information to increase the reaction to the article, or if you just don't bother checking your facts, but it does make it irritating to read unreasearched articles and to always have to post corrections ...


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SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9

Posted Sep 9, 2004 11:44 UTC (Thu) by jschrod (subscriber, #1646) [Link]

He compared SLES9 with Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES, not with Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS, since they are price comparable. Your platform support list is from AS.

Concerning the list of supported packages, everybody needs to look himself if the respective list fits him. IMNSHO, this is not important at all in the end -- important is the quality of the local support staff that is assigned to your cases. I choose a distribution over another one anytime by that criteria.

Btw, I have an EMC engineer sitting in the room next to me who supports SLES9 on an Opteron HPC cluster by HP. He will happily support RHEL, too. But admittedly, this is an important customer for EMC, not your run-of-the-mill job.

Joachim

SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9

Posted Sep 12, 2004 2:15 UTC (Sun) by tzafrir (subscriber, #11501) [Link]

IIRC SLES9 for s390 costs (much) more than SLES9 for i386, and maybe this is so for some other platforms.

SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9

Posted Sep 9, 2004 12:24 UTC (Thu) by ladislav (guest, #247) [Link]

...this feature was not developed by Xandros, it was developed by the KDE team, and is present on many other distributions (such as Mandrakelinux 9.2 and later, since all that is necessary to enable it is correct X configuration).

Mandrake 9.2 was released in October 2003, while Xandros 1.0 with its "Switch Desktop" feature came out one whole year before that - therefore your argument doesn't hold ground. Yes, I am talking about a graphical dialog that starts a new X window session on another virtual terminal. This can of course be done on any distribution from the command line, but Xandros was the first distribution to make this process intuitive in a nice graphical dialog.

I never know if your articles purposely include controversial information to increase the reaction to the article, or if you just don't bother checking your facts

No and no.

SUSE SLES vs Red Hat EL

Posted Sep 9, 2004 13:58 UTC (Thu) by mwilck (guest, #1966) [Link]

Some people would still consider RHEL3 WS edition to be capable of most server tasks.

The same can be said about SUSE Professional 9.l. SLES 9 is intended as competitor for ES/AS.

For example, consult the EMC hardware compatability list...

I am not sure what you are referring to. In the "EMC Support Matrix" document which I just looked at, Red Hat isn't mentioned a lot more frequently than SUSE. The same holds e.g. for SAP.

I never know if your articles purposely include controversial information to increase the reaction to the article, ...

You pick on Ladislav, but I can't see higher quality in your comment than in his article. It appears that you cannot stand the notion that SUSE may have (temporarily, as Ladislav states it) a more advanced enterprise product than Red Hat.

I like Red Hat EL3.0, but SLES 8 is at the same level of quality and ISV/IHV support. Potential customers should base their decision for one or the other on their specific field of application, not on the brand name.

The release of SLES 9 introduces kernel 2.6 to the enterprise market, and it is noteworthy that was Novell/SUSE that took this step, not Red Hat.

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