A GRAN UNIFIED FRAMEWORK, PLEASE ... [LWN.net]

A GRAN UNIFIED FRAMEWORK, PLEASE ...

Posted Sep 18, 2002 4:10 UTC (Wed) by mmarq (guest, #2332)
Parent article: Red Hat nullifies KDE, Gnome (Register)

I belive, IMHO, that Taylor's rational is absolutly correct. From the point of view of the users this war between GNOME and KDE is absolutly stupid to the last degree. Is like a quarrel between two kids; when one say ya the other must say nay, just because!!!...It's really stupid. I use both KDE and GNOME, and which I could use them both at the same time, because if KDE is just a little bit more mature and better looking, GNOME has most of the better applications...not to mention openoffice. So why not to use, not the same colors, fonts, widgets themes, icons , backgrounds, windows borders, screensavers, panels, menus, and dialog boxes, but THE SAME WAY OF UPLAYING "DIFFERENT" colors, fonts, widgets themes, icons, backgrouns, windows borders, screensavers, panels, menus,dialog boxes, AND MOST OFF ALL THE SAME WAY OF RENDERING(3D) AND LAYING OUT THE DESKTOP!!!

DEFENITLY XSETTINGS AND OTHERS FREEDESKTOP.ORG STANDARDS SHOULD BE IN KDE AND GNOME, JUST LIKE IN OTHERS PLATFORMS LIKE GNUSTEP, GNU.NET AND XIMIAN MONO; AND DEFENITLY MADE PART OF LSB(Linux Standards Base).

IN PRESENT DAYS THERE ARE SO MUCH DUPLICATED WORK, THAT ANY SERIOUS LINUX DESKTOP USER, IMO, WOULD LIKE THE MAJOR GNOME AND KDE TO JUST MELT IN ONE, OR JUST GO AWAY!!!

IN A WILD GUESS, "THIS" COULD BE A KIND OF KDE-KPARTS COMPONENTS ABLE TO WORK WITH GTK AND QT, AT LEAST, AND COMPLIANT WHIT CORBA 3, TO THEREFOR BE ABLE TO INTEROPERATE WITH GNOME-BONOBO, AS WELL WITH JAVABEANS, AND POSSIBLY WITH OPENOFFICE UNO.

linux must have a COMMON PROGRAMING FRAMEWORK OF SAME KIND, that could be multiplatform(GNOME and KDE at least), multilanguage (C, C++, C#,objectC at least), and working in a multicomponent environment.

The bottom line is, with more or less crap, or more or less geniousity, all the major platforms with the top KDE and GNOME must change, unify and take advantage of the fact that the GNU COMPILERS COLLECTION (GCC), compiles for x86IA-32, IA-64, x86-64, sparc, alpha, ppc-32, ppc-64 and ARM , and have a "ALLOVER" unified, not only in look'n feel, but also functional desktop and applications system(the contrary of throwing perls to pigs).

The alternative is to have microsoft CLR (common language runtime) and intire .NET platforms in top of WINDOWS x86IA-32,IA-64, x86-64, arm; SOLARIS sparc; MacOS ppc-32, ppc-64, and LINUX yes LINUX x86IA-32, x86-64, IA-64, sparc, ppc-32, ppc-64,arm!!!... MEANING MICROSOFT APPLICATIONS ALLOVER, WHAT THEY COULDN'T ACHIVE WITH WINDOWS, AND LIVING TO GNOME AND KDE THE DUTY OF MAKING TIME WATCH APPLETS, AND NOTE EDITORS, THAT COMPLY!!!...

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A GRAN UNIFIED FRAMEWORK, PLEASE ...

Posted Sep 18, 2002 5:29 UTC (Wed) by beejaybee (guest, #1581) [Link]

I think I see where you're coming from (but please don't SHOUT SO LOUD next time!)

However I disagree. The point of open software is that you should be free to use something different; and neither RedHat(for all their support of the open software scene) nor anyone else has a right to supplant M$ as the owner of the unified desktop.

Personally I use OpenOffice on a RedHat system with KDE but not Gnome loaded (I had once a problem with disk space). It works fine.

A GRAN UNIFIED FRAMEWORK, PLEASE ...

Posted Sep 18, 2002 10:28 UTC (Wed) by whitemice (guest, #3748) [Link]

This article is pure tripe.

"In the latest beta of RedHat Linux, the distro has replaced the KDE and Gnome branding with its own in-house look and feel."

Eh? The latest beta I downloaded contains GNOME2.

"Red Hat has no intention of forcing cooperation on the two projects (or ability to do so),"

Ok, RedHat doesn't have to. There is already cooperation, including an interoperability project. The portrayal of GNOME and KDE as two warring factions is so tired and silly it is beyond comment.

"Red Hat has done us all a huge favor by concentrating minds on the needless and divisive battle between the two camps."

Yawn. If this is the authors day job he should start looking for a night life.

And if GNOME sucks *SO BAD* why are there more applications? Boy, that seems strange.

And KDE mature? Have you used it in a multi-user/LTSP environment? Go over the LTSP list archives and read about that.

KDE in a multi-user environment

Posted Sep 18, 2002 17:45 UTC (Wed) by Baylink (subscriber, #755) [Link]

As a matter of fact, yes, I am doing that.

It's working pretty passable, actually.

We're running multiple Xvnc's, with KDE2 behind them, and except for occasional kdeinit runaways which suck up processor time, it seems to have been working fairly well.