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Actually not true, because "all the votes" didn't include the absentee ballots... and we all know who would have won if they'd counted those...
Posted Sep 1, 2004 13:05 UTC (Wed) by tymiles (guest, #16469)
The election is won by getting the most electoral votes from the Electoral College (Which are delegates from each state whom "normally" vote based on how the popular vote is trending. The silly rule is that if you have a state with 10 electoral votes (The amount of electoral votes each state has is based on population of each state at the time of the election Each state has the same number of electoral college members as the total of its senators and representatives.) and 6 go to Bush, 4 go to Gore then all 10 in the end go to Bush instead of splitting up the votes.
Anyway we all know that by redistricting you can sway votes because people assume that a district that is heavily pro one party will all most always give their electoral votes to the party they support. This is what they recently did in TX. They redistricted so the Republican Party could merge large clumps of Republican voters into blocks and get more voting power and more electoral votes in those areas of that state. Even with a paper trail you could tamper with the voting in borderline areas (Or Swing states) to make one party or the others look like a bigger block in areas where the dominant party has the base and most people would not notice. (This has never been proven to have happened. But no one knows if it has happened)
This computer crap just makes it more easy to tamper.
Post note: The winner-take-all system in the US awards all of a state's electoral votes to the candidate receiving the greatest number of statewide popular votes. (This may be a plurality rather than a majority.) Conversely, this means that a candidate who finishes second by a narrow margin gets no electoral votes at all. One effect of this system is to reinforce the established parties' hold on power, because it is more difficult for a third-party upstart to win a majority of electoral votes or even to influence the outcome of a presidential election by winning enough electoral votes to throw an election into the House. Groups that might otherwise have started their own parties have therefore had an incentive to work through the major parties rather than to confront them. Farmers, labor unions, and business groups, as well as ethnic and religious minorities, are thus encouraged by the winner-take-all system to find a home within the two-party system. The winner-take-all system reinforces the existing power structure, and it is no surprise that it has been strongly supported by the two major parties that benefit from it.
The winner-take-all system has been criticized in that it lessens the likelihood of multiparty choices and thereby limits the ability of voters to "let off some steam" by voting for a candidate with a philosophy that might be closer to their own. The fewer candidates in the field, the greater the likelihood that a voter will feel alienated by the lack of a real choice. In some circumstances, it is suggested, the safety valve afforded by alternative party choices could prove useful in maintaining governmental legitimacy.
Another disadvantage of the winner-take-all system, according to its critics, is that it tends to exclude the population of some states from the national political dialogue. In every presidential election, some states are "in play" and others are not, meaning that one political party has effectively conceded the state to its opponent. As a result, neither party tends to spend much money in that state on political advertising or do much campaigning, which would go for naught. If electoral votes were awarded on a district-by-district basis, it has been argued, more advertising and campaigning would occur and therefore more Americans would be included in the national election-year dialogue. Of course, some districts would also not be "in play," but it is likely that candidates would have to campaign in more states, thereby involving more of the population in the election-year dialogue.
(Sorry about the rant)
Posted Sep 1, 2004 14:23 UTC (Wed) by LogicG8 (guest, #11076)
Posted Sep 1, 2004 14:31 UTC (Wed) by haydentech (guest, #22504)
So much for not commenting...
Posted Sep 1, 2004 15:44 UTC (Wed) by smoogen (subscriber, #97)
[And yes this basically my opinion on politics in general.]
Posted Sep 1, 2004 15:40 UTC (Wed) by vmole (guest, #111)
Bush won the White House by capturing 271 electoral votes, one more than the Constitution requires.
No, Bush won the White House by capturing 5 U.S. Supreme Court votes, exactly as many as the Constitution requires. We don't know how many electoral votes he won, because we don't know how many popular votes he won, because the SC told everybody they had to stop counting.
(If I'd meant that to be funny, I'd have put in a smiley.)
Posted Sep 1, 2004 15:53 UTC (Wed) by smoogen (subscriber, #97)
The problem is that the system is not meant to deal with elections within statistical error. You can try to lower the statistical error with newer methods.. but in the end, it is a flaw in the system itself.
Posted Sep 9, 2004 14:33 UTC (Thu) by forthy (guest, #1525)
Electoral college system (state by state)
Posted Sep 1, 2004 15:42 UTC (Wed) by smoogen (subscriber, #97)
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